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Author Topic: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)  (Read 108488 times)

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #15 on: January 28, 2011, 03:21:51 PM »
Babylon may well have been a city in present day Iraq, but as metaphor used regularly in Nostradamus' writings is The economic center .
Bab·y·lon 2 (băbˈə-lən, -lŏnˌ)
noun

   1. A city or place of great luxury, sensuality, and often vice and corruption.
   2. A place of captivity or exile.

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #16 on: January 28, 2011, 06:05:02 PM »
No, that's radical Muslim propaganda talking.

America is not seen negatively by Nostradamus.  America is an ally of Chiren and Nostradamus loves Chiren and he loves the West.

Just forget about it...  Nostradamus is clearly pro-Western.  If you are hoping that a French Catholic Jew is going to cheer for Islam you can dream on forever, but the French at that time really hated the Muslims and it shows in Nostradamus by his point of view.

Nostradamus is an extremely "pro-Western" prophet... and a Jew.

Let's be reminded what Nostradamus wrote about WWIII in the letter to Henry:

For hereupon the principal Eastern chief will be vanquished by the Northerners and Westerners, and most of his people, stirred up, will be put to death, overwhelmed or scattered. His children, offspring of many women, will be imprisoned. Then will be accomplished the prophecy of the Royal Prophet, Let him hear the groaning of the captives, that he might deliver the children of those doomed to die.

What great oppression will then fall upon the Princes and Governors of Kingdoms, especially those which will be maritime and Eastern, whose tongues will be intermingled with all others: the tongue of the Latins, and of the Arabs, via the Phoenicians. And all these Eastern Kings will be chased, overthrown and exterminated, but not altogether, by means of the forces of the Kings of the North, and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend around the world. The sacrifice of the hole and immaculate Wafer will be sustained.

Then the Lords of “Aquilon” [the North], two in number, will be victorious over the Easterners, and so great a noise and bellicose tumult will they make amongst them that all the East will tremble in terror of these brothers, yet not brothers, of “Aquilon” [the North].

The king of Europe will come like a griffon,
accompanied by those of the North;
he will lead a great troop of red and white,
they will go against the king of Babylon - X.80


Russia and America are:

"the Kings of the North"
"the Lords of “Aquilon” [the North], two in number"
"of these brothers, yet not brothers, of “Aquilon” [the North]"
"accompanied by those of the North"

...the story is more clear than most people realize if they just read it.

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2011, 09:19:36 PM »
Unfortunately it is quite easy (Bit like the Bible to find quotes that are or might be suitable, though without supporting context:

33. Then will commence a persecution of the Churches the like of which was never seen. Meanwhile, such a plague will arise that more than two thirds of the world will be removed. One will be unable to ascertain the true owners of fields and houses, and weeds growing in the streets of cities will rise higher than the knees. For the clergy there will be but utter desolation. The warlords will usurp what is returned from the City of the Sun, from Malta and the Isles of Hyères. The great chain of the port which wakes its name from the marine ox will be opened.


50.  During this astrological supputation, harmonised with the Holy Scriptures, the persecution of the Ecclesiastical folk will have its origin in the power of the Kings of "Aquilon" [the North], united with the Easterners. This persecution will last for eleven years, or somewhat less, for then the chief King of "Aquilon" will fall.

51.  Thereupon the same thing will occur in the South, where for the space of three years the Church people will be persecuted even more fiercely through the Apostatic seduction of one who will hold all the absolute power in the Church militant. The holy people of God, the observer of his law, will be persecuted fiercely and such will be their affliction that the blood of the true Ecclesiastics will flow everywhere.
52.  One of the horrible temporal Kings will be told by his adherents, as the ultimate in praise, that he has shed more of human blood of Innocent Ecclesiastics than anyone else could have spilled of wine. This King will commit incredible crimes against the Church. Human blood will flow in the public streets and temples, like water after an impetuous rain, coloring the nearby rivers red with blood. The ocean itself will be reddened by another naval battle, such that one king will say to another, Naval battles have caused the sea to blush.



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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #17 on: January 29, 2011, 09:19:36 PM »

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #18 on: January 30, 2011, 06:41:25 AM »
"During this astrological supputation, harmonised with the Holy Scriptures, the persecution of the Ecclesiastical folk will have its origin in the power of the Kings of "Aquilon" [the North], united with the Easterners. This persecution will last for eleven years, or somewhat less, for then the chief King of "Aquilon" will fall."

Russia (King of "Aquilon") begins WWIII on the side of the Muslims. (Easterners)

The leader of Russia dies.

Russia switches sides and joins Chiren against the Muslims.

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...the persecution of the Ecclesiastical folk will have its origin in the power of the Kings of "Aquilon"

When he uses the plural "Kings" he's talking about the long history of Russian leadership from Lenin, Stalin, all the way to Putin that discourages religion.  Stalin was the worst.  Persecution of the christian faith by the Russians has been a long process covering multiple "kings".

(it's easy to confuse that with the Russia / America kings of the North)

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I know for people who are new to Nostradamus it's hard to understand but that's the "Standard Picture".

It's kind of like a puzzle...  you can get the answer wrong at first.

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The Kings of "Aquilon" (two in number) are like brothers and yet not like brothers.  Russia and America are both of the North, both have nuclear weapons, even somewhat look alike for the most part as the majority of both places are white people.  

Try reading the next posting...
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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #19 on: January 30, 2011, 06:47:25 AM »
The New Russian Threat Out of the Old Soviet Collapse

Submitted by JR Nyquist on Fri, 28 Jan 2011

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/the-new-russian-threat-out-of-the-old-soviet-collapse

"...But all was not lost for the KGB or the Communist elite. Decades earlier, Soviet planners had looked ahead to a time when a reform of the Soviet system would be necessary. In a book published in 1984, KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn wrote about a secret Soviet plan to do away with Communist Party dominance. This, he said, would be a deception. The Communist Party would still exist underneath the surface. It would merely go underground, or break into various new parties that would control the Russian political process according to a script. In facing the crisis, Kalashnikov noted the Kremlin's agility: "Moscow managed to regroup itself, to recuperate, by launching Islamist forces. In this way they kept Soviet legitimacy. This is extremely important to understand. In diplomatic terms, the Russian Federation is the Soviet Union of today. It has all the prerequisites, with the Security Council, central structures, etc. And it retains the status of nuclear superpower. Back in 1991 we were told, 'Listen comrade, it is a defeat for us. But it is a temporary setback.' The Soviet Union never accepted defeat in the Cold War, not for a minute. There was not even a temporary break in the policy from Gorbachev to Yeltsin to Putin. We have been reorganizing and will be back on track. You may remember the removal of the Dzerzhinsky monument from in front of KGB headquarters. Now let me describe the reaction in our ranks, in our residencies. When we saw what happened in Moscow, there was a general sigh of relief. We knew that someone had masterfully distracted the crowd in front of our headquarters to that poor Dzerzhinsky monument, so our premises remained untouched. That was a huge difference from what happened in East Berlin. We immediately realized that the leaders and organizers of that crowd were KGB assets, our agents. The fall of Dzerzhinsky's statue was arranged by the KGB. It was ultimately a fake event.""

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Also note that Russia is presently "using" the Egyptian chaos to launch an attack on the people of Chechnya.  Russia has literally played both sides of the Muslim game all along.  The Muslims are so obsessed with their vision of glorified death that they are easy to manipulate by the Russians.

Understanding how Russia is "playing" the Muslims is central to understanding WWIII.

The Muslim radicals are obvious... the Russian power is hidden.

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The radical Muslims go into WWIII THINKING that Russia is on their side, but they are betrayed.  Then the Muslim groups start to betray each other until they lose to Chiren.

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Nostradamus basically portrays the radical Muslims as stupid.
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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #20 on: January 30, 2011, 06:01:25 PM »
America in Nostradamus' terms are always in the pejorative!
"Profligate or Babylon"

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2011, 08:23:52 PM »
That's just garbage.

The Lords of Aquilon end up on the side of Chiren.  America and Russia
and Europe all end up defeating the Muslims.

Does Nostradamus hate Chiren for his alliances?

I doubt it, all the "good guys" in the world manage to defeat the
serpent that is Islam.  Nostradamus says the Muslims lose.  Anyone
that supports Chiren is a "good guy" in the opinion of Nostradamus.

Russia starts out supporting the evil side in the beginning, but comes
clean and supports the good side in the end.

The good triumphs and the evil loses.  Muslims lose.

Nostradamus is an optimist for the good in Europe to win. (eventually)
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« Reply #21 on: January 30, 2011, 08:23:52 PM »

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2011, 03:36:39 PM »
Chiren Cannot Use Nuclear Weapons

There is a problem.

Assuming that Europe is overwhelmed by radical Muslims who already
live there, one wonders how that the populations of Europe would be
able to fight them.

Do you put all Muslims in jail?

If you try to do that it would be impossible as there are millions of
Muslims in Europe and there aren't enough prisons to put them all
away.

Can you nuke the Muslims?

No, because they might be a neighbor.  As with all forms of terrorism
you have a hard time recognizing who is a "friend" and who is an
"enemy".

...so you can imagine how Chiren needs to walk a careful path in
WWIII in order to deal with a significant problem.  The increased
use of more lethal weapons by the radicals will make the situation
very difficult.  Weapons are likely smuggled into Europe which are
actually made in other places in the middle east that have become
totally radicalized. (some years from now)

Nuclear weapons become useless to stop your own people.

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #23 on: August 12, 2011, 09:15:41 AM »
Canadian soldiers have fought as allies of the US since WWI... hell Americans went to Canada to join their army in 1939, since we weren't getting involved in WWII for 2 more years. They fought in Desert Storm, the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea...The Canadian flag is Red and White, and part of the nation is within the arctic circle (is that a red and white troop of the north enough for ya?) Canada and the US both have a large percentage of German-decended people, including much of my own family, and the current Pope is German... what colors are the Vatican's flag? I really don't know. What colors are the current Russian flag? We used to speak of 'Red Russians' and 'White Russians', and the Nazi flag is/was red and white (with a black swastika.)These quatrains give some clues about something, but just don't show me a smoking gun, so to speak.

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #24 on: March 07, 2012, 08:56:01 AM »
Geological satellite photoes have shown 2 ancient, dry riverbeds in the region near the Tigress and Euphrates rivers, that would have emptied into the Gulf near the 2 existing rivers. That's the 2 missing rivers from the Book of Genesis describing the location of the Garden of Eden (maybe). Ocean levels have risen over the past 10,000 years, changing the geography. There's always the possibility of a 5th riverbed in the area... but I like the information someone else posted about Sheffield England. Of course, as he/she stated, we won't now how accurate it is concerning the quatrains until events are happening.

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2012, 09:25:48 AM »
"the king of Babylon" Now a debatable point, but on the evidence given  Babylon = USA
Okay, this guy shows himself once again to be little more than another "I hate America"-type. Babylon was located in present-day Iraq. He's posted this sort of thing at least 4 other times that I've seen... 'everything is the fault of the Americans, blah blah.' Ecosse, if you are a citizen or legal resident of the US, I want you to think really hard about what I'm about to tell you. Men in my family have served in almost every armed conflict the US has been involved in since the American Revolution (including an uncle who was a Sergeant with the 25th infantry division in WWII, fighting against Nazi Germany) ensuring you have all those wonderful, all-important civil rights you enjoy. If you are a citizen or legal resident, one of those rights is the right to leave and go elsewhere. Please do so.

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« Reply #25 on: March 07, 2012, 09:25:48 AM »

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #26 on: November 12, 2012, 11:51:58 PM »
From the book "Nostradamus by Jean-Charles de Fontbrune"
chiren is an anagram of henric : from latin henricus : Henri.

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #27 on: November 30, 2013, 12:16:31 PM »
I am not convinced yet that Chyren is a person

I found 3 quatrains with Chiren/Chyren: 2 quatrains spell Chyren, 1 quatrain spells Chiren.

Century 6 Quatrain 27 is definately about the “Volcanic Arc” and “Aeolian Islands in Italy

See also Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolian_Island



Into the islands of five rivers to one
Through the crescent/arc shape of the great Chyren Selin
Through the drizzle of the air of the fury of the one
Six disappear, hide ………….

Dedans les iƒles de cinq fleuves à un ,
Par le croiƒƒant du grand Chyren Selin :
Par les bruynes de l'air fureur de l'un ,
Six eƒchappez , cachez fardeaux de lin

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #28 on: November 30, 2013, 12:40:25 PM »
Sorry, correct link should be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolian_Islands

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Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
« Reply #29 on: November 30, 2013, 12:54:14 PM »
And herewith the link of the arc of course

croissant = arc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_arc