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« Reply #30 on: January 07, 2011, 12:07:42 PM »
More About Russia's "Killer State" Mindset Leading Into WWIII

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/origins-of-a-killer-state

Origins of a Killer State
Submitted by JR Nyquist on Fri, 7 Jan 2011

Earlier this week KGB Lt. Col. Victor Kalashnikov, who has been making news in Germany, discussed with me the origins of the Soviet regime, and the current Russian regime. Kalashnikov's interest in history led him to uncover the Soviet Union's initial phase of development during the Russian Civil War. This initial phase helps us to understand the later path of Soviet development, and the current Russian obsession with war preparations. Here we find the idea that a thing may be better known by exploring its early development, as in the psychological theories of Sigmund Freud. One might say that Kalashnikov has insights into the early childhood of the Soviet regime. Does such a regime actually have the equivalent of a childhood? Whatever metaphor you prefer, a totalitarian state does not sprout from the ground like a head of lettuce, or a cabbage. Totalitarianism seems to develop out of a relentless type of hatred and mass killing. It is born from a conflict that partakes of figurative cannibalism, of an appetite for human flesh. Here we find the story of thousands or millions of human victims, and the killers who built a system upon the bones of the dead.  

Kalashnikov began our conversation by commenting on the recent Khordorkovsky trial, saying it was "a good example of the corruption ongoing at the highest levels" of the Russian state. Mikhail Khordorkovsky had been the wealthiest man in Russia, and chief executive of Russia's largest oil company, Yukos. He was arrested on 25 October 2003 in Novosibirsk on charges of fraud. In his final statement at his second trial, Khordorkovsky asked what entrepreneurs and creative individuals will think of such a trial where the outcome is set in advance. The conclusion, he said, is chilling in its simplicity. "There is no right of private property [in Russia]. No person who conflicts with the 'system' has any rights whatsoever. Even when enshrined in law, rights are not protected by the courts." Because, he said, the courts are a fraud.

"It is the worst case," said Kalashnikov about Khordorkovsky. The top guys who were actually running Yukos were KGB generals, and Kalashnikov named them.  Most contracts were arranged through these KGB men, he said. "No serious action [within Yukos] on the side of Khordorkovsky or others was thinkable without their direct authorization. I had to realize that, here in Germany and Austria, not everyone would be ready or happy to be reminded of this. There is a certain mutual understanding between the West and Moscow ... so they are quite reluctant to look closely into this issue."

Not only was the trial a fraud, but even Khordorkovsky proves to be a fraud. Russia is, in fact, a layer cake where each layer is sugared with fraud. Why had this system made Khordorkovsky into an "oligarch." Why was that same system destroying him? It is for the same reason that, under Lenin and Stalin, the Soviet state created the entrepreneurs of the New Economic Policy (NEP men) in the 1920s, and subsequently destroyed them. It goes to the nature of the regime. But where was this nature acquired? How did it come about? What is it, exactly, and how may we know it? Part of the answer lies in the desire to win over the West, or the Western media. "When I joined the analytical department in January 85, the standard analytical memo to the Politburo was not to exceed two pages in print. Then, with Gorbachev in power, that was downsized to one and a half, then to one page. Then, starting around 1990, when the crisis was already in sight, there was an instruction from the KGB chief in Moscow, that any such memo would attach a sheet of paper in which I would explain in ten lines the heart of the issue, the most important substance of the analysis. Along that way, from two pages to ten lines, a lot of things had been washed out. All the "isms" were washed out -- like communism, proletarianism, etc. All necessary things for key decision makers excluded such terms. What remained in the end? I can summarize it in two critical things, based on 1990 guidelines: (1) What shall we do to stay somewhat longer in power, physically? (2) What do they in Washington, Vienna, London, etc. write about us? What do they think of Gorbachev, etc.?"

Thus, explained Kalashnikov, the regime was interested in the timing of its own demise, and in the way its leading figures were seen in the West. This was the all-important component. And for the individual political actor: "What do they think of me?" The regime's script (as it were), and the political actor's reception upon the stage, depended upon the Western audience. Were they buying the act? Were they applauding, or ready to throw fruit at those occupying the stage?

"When the Soviet Union was already in the past," began Kalashnikov, "I managed to establish a stable relationship with the very nice ladies who kept the library of the Central Committee [of the Communist Party Soviet Union] in Moscow. At that time the Internet was not widely spread, so the library was full of Western magazines and newspapers and so on. So I was happy to help those nice ladies to compile information packages to meet requests from their new masters in the Kremlin. What I first remembered was the new democrats that had knowledge of English. But many others, probably the majority, formulated their own questions. Listen, Jeff, they were the exact two sets of questions: (1) What does the West think about the stability of our own position in the Kremlin? (2) What do they think in Washington, Vienna, London, etc., about me. So the key priorities of the key decision-makers were, excepting the English speakers, the same as before. This seems to be a basic law of power in Russia. So Occam's razor brings us to our discussion of communism. It was a cover for a certain power strategy, and that is final. In this regard, I think, from a similar perspective, just washing away all the unnecessary isms of ideology, all those over-abundant categories of thought, we get closer to the nature of the regime established in Russia during 1917-18. As you would probably agree, Western Sovietologists gave a lot of attention to communist ideas and certain Bolshevik resolutions, to the materials presented by Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin. In those resolutions one may find references to German philosophers of the 19th century, but when, as a journalist, I was able to go deeper into the Russian reality, I traveled to the Russian provinces in my new capacity, where the huge gap between ideology and what really happened in the revolution exceeded my most dramatic expectations."

It is important to distinguish between ideology and what really happens in the world. When our heads are stuffed with ideology, our expectations are those of a fool. When we look at reality without ideology, we see something that is generally outside our expectations. Ideology and reality belong to different realms. Ideology belongs to the childish side of the imagination, while reality is the realm of the wise.  The two things, ideology and reality, never coincide, ever. The reasons were outlined by Gustav Le Bon in his study of crowd behavior, where he stated: "The philosophic absurdity that often marks general beliefs has never been an obstacle to their triumph.... In consequence, the evident weakness of the socialist beliefs of today will not prevent their triumph among the masses.... The socialist ideal of happiness [and] ...  the vanity of its promises will at once appear as soon as the first efforts toward their realization are made...."

Kalashnikov described that point where the socialist ideal of happiness first encountered reality, and came undone like a cheap sweater. "Probably you've heard something of the Tambov uprising," he said. "The Tambov area was a huge part of central Russia. It was three times larger in older times. It was a normal rural area, fairly stable, inhabited by farmers, along with handicrafts, and very religious, decent people. Now, the Bolsheviks came and imposed a lot of duties on them. So they revolted. The result in 1919 was not just an uprising but the formation of a republic with its own armies and police. So this huge armed conflict started. Lenin correctly identified the Tambov uprising as the most dangerous one to his regime. This is why the Bolsheviks stopped pushing against Europe and turned East. Their best generals and armies were thrown against the Tambov area. The official reason was to occupy Tambov. During that war, the key episode of the Russian Civil War, was the elimination of large segments of the male population in this particular area. In 1991 the regional KGB department was alarmed. For some reason, the opening of records in Novosibirsk, shed some light on what happened in Tambov. One third of the population was killed. The Bolsheviks were experimenting on people with torture and extermination techniques. When I started to explain to the Germans what happened in Tambov, they were shocked. Those who you would expect to be best prepared for such revelations, researchers into the Holocaust, were surprised at the sophisticated methods of hostage taking (to reveal hidden fighters), and the manner of executions used by the Bolsheviks. A lot of this history is simply incredible. The Bolsheviks introduced a system of concentration camps for men, women, elderly people and children, with various types of terror and indoctrination. That's what they called an occupation. But the most important thing, what emerged from the ruins of the Tambov Republic, was a permanent system of police control. From time to time they practiced, yet again, hostage taking, indoctrination, Komsomol  [youth wing of the Communist Party], and now, the next stage: - they distributed this occupational regime to the rest of the country; so that socialism emerged not from Marx and Engels, but from the practice of occupying Tambov. That was the real socialism Stalin accomplished and accommodated. That system was ideal for preparing Russia for the next stage in revolutionary war. If you read  Red Army papers from the late 1920s and 30s, you will find a lot of stuff regarding the kind of regime they would establish in the liberated areas of Europe."

According to Kalashnikov, in the period immediately following the Russian Civil War, Soviet military theorists saw Poland as their main enemy. It was assumed that Moscow would attack Poland and carry out Sovietization. A new regime would be established. Kalashnikov said: "The summary is as follows: We 'liberate' a given area to the West, then we bring in 5,000 political commissars, so that in two or three weeks they will establish the basis for a Soviet system." The measures proposed in Red Army plans were derived from the experience of setting up the Tambov occupation regime. The generals and police officials of the Soviet Union gradually improved their methods. Subduing an area became a science. The overall idea was simple, according to Kalashnikov: "We kill all our enemies." In the 1920s the Soviet strategists were naming certain villages in Poland or Belarus. "The Army commanders were planning to establish a Soviet regime [in Poland]. At the top of everything," said Kalashnikov, "was bringing in and putting up a powerful communist party. Of course, we will find some local activists, and together with them we will establish revolutionary committees. But local resources are not sufficient in this regard. So we need commissars and experts to supplement them, along with the Red Army. I must underline this part of the military strategy so you will see that the Bolshevik regime was not just a product of ideology, but a military way of thinking. What do we do with an area taken by the military machine? Sovietization was a military strategy, on which ideological cover was given by communism."

And so, the Soviet Union was a gigantic military formation. It is not about economics, or consumerism, or building socialism. It is about taking and occupying territory. In today's Russia, says Kalashnikov, "the military represents a force, a complex, which was behind bringing Putin and his clique to power because they needed somebody to take political responsibility for the huge bloodshed in the Caucasus. Now we have what we have. Now everybody is talking about Putin, his mistresses, his wrongdoings. Forget it. The Russian military is the key player. It is their doing. They elaborate and carry out the main Russian foreign policy, which is a military policy, worldwide. To bring it to the core of the issue, Russian foreign and military policy should be regarded as a military strategy of the Russian armed forces. Starting with 1917 we see how ideology served as a cover; but in reality it is a military policy which has fascist characteristics. Putin's billionaire friends do not fit into the Marxist idea. Russia is supposedly a democracy, but no Western international rules are relevant for us, so Khordorkovsky is our internal affair."

What people say, what they think, is different than what they really are. It is even possible that they keep this truth from themselves. Conquest is the obsession of the Russian political culture. Lenin has been described as a "militaristic politician." Here is the true character of Russia's political tendency laid bare. "An important point," added Kalashnikov: "We should not forget that in terms of Soviet military strategy, the full country was regarded as a sort of rear area for international global expansion. This is very important, since most Sovietologists consider the Soviet regime to be a totalitarian system as such. This is not correct. A totalitarian system was there for another reason; namely, for mobilization of resources, for war readiness. Even when a child, I was participating in huge military games around Moscow. I was awarded a medal in 1964 by General Golikov, formerly the head of military intelligence under Stalin. So the Soviet Union was the rear area in purely military terms. Every case of dissent was considered by the Fifth Directorate first in terms of foreign influence. Dissidents were therefore considered a foreign element, as sort of intruders, or spies. Secondary was the ideology of these people, or their ideas. The primary thing was the potential existence of a foreign wedge inside our military camp. Just look how the Russian authorities depict opposition personalities of today. 'You are foreign agents,' they say. 'You are agents of Hitler. It is impossible that our happy country would produce scoundrels like this. You are definitely working for our enemy.' Some journalists miss this aspect; but this is the basic policy of Russia for dealing with dissidents. And another idea: that a totalitarian regime is best suited for a certain kind of war, involving the mobilization of all resources."

So the Soviet system, and today's Russian system, is built for total mobilization. The totalitarian requirement is a necessary aspect of war readiness. You have to mobilize everyone, and put all resources into play. It does not matter of your society is relatively poor. Societies that are based on freedom cannot readily mobilize everyone. Such a society is slow to react, or to become a military formation. The bourgeoisie of the Western countries is invested in consumption. In Russia the low living standard is intentional, where all resources are reserved for military use, and is unknown in countries like America or Canada. Although these countries are wealthier than totalitarian countries like Russia or China, they cannot put their resources into immediate military use. In an era of nuclear missile weapons, when Russian can devastate the major cities of the United States, there will be no time to mobilize such resources for the American side, ever. The logic of the situation is not lost upon those who inherited the Soviet military machine. That is why the Russian state is continuing to develop its nuclear and missile potential. That is why the Russians resist every defensive barrier raised against them, whether it is National Missile Defense in the United States or half-hearted ABMs for Europe.

Toward the end of my conversation with Kalashnikov I asked his opinion of China's role in relation to Russia's military focus. "There is joint planning against America," he admitted. "Ultimately, they are sort of a military-political combination. Yes, it is like a bloc, but not like NATO. Russia's arsenal is a joint nuclear umbrella [for China and other states]. Again, as long as other observers get down to the practical issues of military strategy we get closer to the core of the matter. The distribution of military power is the key. Look at this and you will get an idea of who your friends are, and who are your enemies. That is my basic understanding of the issue."
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2011, 10:42:12 AM »
Assassinations May Rise

Unfortunately there is supposed to be an increase in assassinations as we get closer to the conflict of WWIII.  America in particular is supposed to be actively involved in a sort of civil war (probably "liberals" vs "those that are not liberals") but when WWIII starts it ends any more internal struggles.

Sad to say...  we might be seeing more of the type of thing we saw in Tucson, AZ recently.

I hope not, but "hope" is just a kind of self comforting dreaming...  we can't expect things to get better just because we hope for it.
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« Reply #32 on: January 10, 2011, 12:42:57 AM »
Chiren (Chyren)

Chiren is THE central figure of WWIII.

He becomes the leader of the Western forces in the latter part of WWIII.  He unifies the Americans and Russians in a campaign to liberate Europe which has been suffocated by internal muslim terrorism and attacks originating from the middle east.  Eventually Chiren becomes the "sole victor" of WWIII and brings about peace.  The name "Chiren" is likely not literal and there is debate about it's metaphorical meaning.  

Then will be accomplished the prophecy of the Royal Prophet, Let him hear the groaning of the captives, that he might deliver the children of those doomed to die.

Muslims will be imprisoned in large quantities, but due to the Holocaust a repeat of the massive cremation of muslims (jews) is not done in Europe and instead the choice is to let the women and children of the muslim terrorists be free.

This mercy upon muslim terrorists enhances the image of Chiren as being both ruthless in exterminating the muslim threat, but also generous in allowing the innocent to survive.  This goes a long way towards making things peaceful after the war.

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor - VI.70

Of Trojan blood he will be born with a German heart
and will rise to a very great power.
He will drive out the foreign, Arabic nation
and return the Church to her early glory - V.74

Selin king, Italy peaceful, kingdoms
united by the Christian King of the World.
When he dies he will want to lie in Blois territory,
having chased the pirates from the sea - IV.77

The great man led captive from a foreign land,
chained in gold, offered to King CHYREN.
He who in Ausonia, Milan will lose the war
and all his army put to fire and sword - IV.34

The king of Europe will come like a griffon,
accompanied by those of the North;
he will lead a great troop of red and white,
they will go against the king of Babylon - X.80


True ' sole title of victor ' is the key to his name.It is likely to be translation of the name in another language which most likely will not be english.

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« Reply #33 on: January 10, 2011, 05:32:30 PM »
You have to be careful about guessing too much about the intentions that Nostradamus might have in choosing "replacement" name titles.  The reason seems to be to insert a sort of "wildcard" into the place of a name.  If Nostradamus had simply named the important people up front, then it might actually change history as people might react to it.  By not directly naming people and putting something that "is similiar" in place it ensures that history is unaltered.  Why didn't he just say "the heck with it" and name people directly?  In the near term it was the church...  but for distant futures it should have been okay to be literal.

Anyway...  Nostradamus may have chosen a "wildcard" from a foreign language source, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he was trying to say that person was from a foreign place.   Chiren might have a Hindu connection, but that doesn't alter the "Standard Picture" that still places everything in Europe.

Chiren is:

European
Probably of Greek descent
A stubburn personality
Leads Europe to Victory
Is able to get Russia and America to become his allies
Defeats Muslim terrorism in Europe and in the Middle East
Dies of natural causes and is buried in France


...those are the expectations based on the "Standard Picture".

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« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2011, 04:29:08 PM »
Gee and I thought the French king Henry(i) was the character who righted the world after one of it's darkest periods, seems we have to fall before any resurgence, also there are no winners after a nuclear exchange!

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« Reply #35 on: January 18, 2011, 07:01:20 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy

"He is the son of Pál István Ernő Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa, who is of French Catholic and Greek Jewish origin...

...His paternal ancestor was elevated to the untitled nobility of Hungary on 10 September 1628 for his role in fighting the armies of the Ottoman Empire. The family possessed about 705 acres of land and a small castle in the village of Alattyán, near Szolnok, 92 km (57 miles) east of Budapest.[6] Pál Sárközy's father and grandfather held elective offices in the town of Szolnok. Although the Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa (nagybócsai Sárközy) family was Protestant, Pál Sárközy's mother, Katalin Tóth de Csáford (Hungarian: csáfordi Tóth Katalin), grandmother of Nicolas Sarkozy, belonged to a Catholic noble family."


Many have speculated that the present leader of France "could" be the Chiren of Nostradamus.  Being of Greek ancestry certainly fits the description of having "Trojan Blood".

If Sarkozy is Chiren then we have very little time left... (I hope not)

(note that you can be the leader of France these days and not be 100% of French ancestry)

Nostradamus was Jewish and also French...  so they would have something in common.

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I hate to confirm that Sarkozy is Chiren, but I do admit that he fits most all the criteria for being him.  Feels a little too early to be certain.  (privately I tend to believe that he is the one)

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Chiren == Sarkozy ? ? ?

First Term : 2007 - 2012
Second Term : 2012 - 2017

...so we still could have as much as six years before Sarkozy can no longer qualify to be the Catholic leader of France in the Nostradamus "Standard Picture" of events.

So what do you want to do with your life for six years?
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« Reply #36 on: January 20, 2011, 08:26:30 PM »
How does Hungary have common roots with Greece?

allusion, is a poetic trick requiring the reader to be aware of names cited and what they were noted for, like the founders of Lutetia?

Also Troy the city, was situated in present day Turkey
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« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2011, 03:05:39 PM »
You can be Hungarian and still have Greek ancestry.

Sarkozy is what we in America call a "mutt".  He's a mix of various ancestries and origins and yet he was raised Catholic, so he does have a strong "Catholic Bias" in his thinking.  It's this "Catholic Bias" that Nostradamus seems to pick up on.

He qualifies as the "Christian King of the World" (Selin Chiren) but that doesn't necessarily mean he is Chiren.  

All we have to do is wait and survive the first half of WWIII (not a guarantee for any of us) and it will become obvious.  If Sarkozy is Chiren we will know.

(it could be years from now)
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« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2011, 03:11:45 PM »
"We repeat the same message to you: The release of your prisoners in the hands of our brothers is linked to the withdrawal of your soldiers from our country," bin Laden said. "The refusal of your president to withdraw from Afghanistan is the result of his obedience to America and this refusal is a green light to kill your prisoners."

Osama Bin Laden is in the news again.  He's directly threatening France now...  very much in tune with the "Standard Picture" which suggests in WWIII the radical Muslims within France will do all they can to cause trouble. (they lose, but they try)

If actual people die soon...  THIS is the kind of incident that would be written into a Quatrain.  

So we can see how awareness might emerge.

We are always in effect in a murky state of non-awareness and it's only after the fact that we can (hopefully) identify if a specific Quatrain matches an event.  We have the double problem of not knowing which events are significant and also not knowing how we might interpret events and match them.  That's why the "Standard Picture" is there to create a backdrop of events...  sort of the view from high up and looking down...  which allows us to be more patient with things.

We want to separate our emotions from events which is EASIER when the event is distant.  It's actually more difficult to think when the event is actually happening.  (so be thankful we are not under pressure now)
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« Reply #39 on: January 22, 2011, 12:41:38 AM »
I think when Mr Bin laden goes to Europe he will more than cause trouble he will depopulate the place for starters but any invasion force is going to cause collateral damage.
This time he will use nuclear weapons

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« Reply #40 on: January 22, 2011, 10:56:08 AM »
Don't forget about China and Russia.  Especially Russia because in the "Standard Picture" of events it is Russia that begins hostilities by doing "something" provocative in Europe.  It could be cutting off the natural gas pipeline or it could be an invasion of the lessor states... we don't know everything.  America then stands up to Russia and confronts them.  It's at this point that things sort of spin out of control and pretty soon the "two brothers" (Russia and America) are lobbing nuclear weapons at each other.

Meanwhile in Europe the radical Muslim terrorists are causing havoc and it's possible some nuclear weapons are smuggled in and used.  So far the delivery systems for nukes by operations like Al Qaeda is non-existent.  Don't rule out Iran either...  they could be throwing up a few nukes as well.  China is also throwing up some nukes, but they quickly back off and settle for peace.

Based on sheer numbers it's America and Russia that have the most nukes.  There are something like 20,000 warheads on each side in various levels of readiness.  Even after the first waves of attacks between the "two brothers" they still will hold vast reserves to continue afterwards.  Nukes might be used for several years as the war progresses and mutates.  Nuclear submarines will do their part. ("hidden globes")

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In the midst of this appears Chiren who is supposed to take control in Europe and get the "two brothers" to stop their warfare against each other and turn against the Muslims in Europe and the Middle East that are still fighting.  Eventually all the radical Muslim terrorists are put into prison and yet the children of the terrorists are allowed to remain free. (in other words Chiren doesn't make it a racist thing...  just because you are Muslim doesn't mean you go to jail)

The main thing to remember is that the radical Muslims lose...  they are more annoyance than anything else...

Russia and America fight
Russia and America make peace and join with Chiren
Chirens alliance defeats the radical Muslims
Peace returns


...it's a simple war to understand really.
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« Reply #41 on: January 23, 2011, 06:53:46 PM »
My reading Iran takes up the invasion and is defeated soon after 2-3 years
However Russia who was an ally changes sides defeats USA and a uses the final solution on the USA Henry the Euro takes what is left and unites a very broken world!

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« Reply #42 on: January 24, 2011, 07:07:16 AM »
Not quite...

Central to understanding the flow of events is to look at the concept of the "two brothers".  They are said to both be "of the north" and they are supposed to touch each other up north.  Alaska and Russia face each other across the Bering Strait.

Next, the timeline goes like this:

Russia begins with an encroachment into Europe.
America gets involved and resists Russian agression.
Russia attacks America in a surprise nuclear strike.
America responds with it's own nuclear strike.

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Meanwhile in Europe the radical Muslims are causing terrorism and really messing Europe up badly.  The use of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons complicates matters.  Chiren leads the Western forces against the radicals and manages to get Russia and America ("the two brothers") to assist in his cause and to become allies again.

Why would Russia begin as an enemy and end as an ally with America?

Because Russia is ruled by a "gangster" government that when the war begins is wiped out by nuclear weapons.  The surviving Russia people never liked their government anyway, so there was no problem switching sides.  The poor Russians have a long and terrible history of their government treating them badly...  it seems to be deeply ingrained in their minds.

In effect the Russians "declare a Mulligan" (do you know the golf term?) and completely abandon the attack once their leadership is taken out.  The war between Russia and America might only last a few hours or days.

By comparison the war in Europe with the radical Muslims creating terror will go on for years and years.  It's an ugly internal mess that Chiren has to sytematically beat down until the radicals are spent.  Chiren also leads the West against the middle east.

Finally Chiren gets to be given the sole title of victor... but it takes a long time.

The king of Europe will come like a griffin
Accompanied by those of the North.
He will lead a great troop of red and white
And they will go against the king of Babylon.
(X/86, p. 421)
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« Reply #43 on: January 28, 2011, 11:08:34 AM »
Egypt

This revolution going on in Egypt is expected within the "Standard Picture" of events.  Before WWIII gets into full swing it's expected that the entire middle east has cobbled together a kind of "new Caliphate" which unifies for what they think will be a successful defeat of the West.

Nostradamus says otherwise...

Obviously by now (if you have been reading and paying attention) you know that the West is lead by Chiren to eventually defeat the combined forces of the Muslims (both terrorist and otherwise) after an ugly world war.  The unification of the Muslim world does not last long:

"...and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend around the world."

(so the unity of the Muslims lasts seven years)

So we are at the BEGINNING of this process...  there are years and years and years of wild new developments to come, so don't hold your breath.

2012 is the "official" beginning of all of this.  (so we are in the prelude still)

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The radical Muslims "lose" WWIII, but at times it will seem like they might "win".
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« Reply #44 on: January 28, 2011, 03:15:23 PM »
The Henry character emerges, after the defeat of the west!

 

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