religion and nostradamus

[adqe]

merry christmas everyone!

Although this is my first post, I must tell you now that it could be taken negatively by some members so please do not take offence as I do not mean any.
Right, now to the point:

There are a few people on this forum who are of certain religious sects (such as Christian and Islam I have particularly noticed), and I would like to know how Nostradamus' prophesies/visions fit into your own religious views. I know myself that it is said in the Christian Bible that any prophet who is not from God  can only be from one other master... guess who that might be...

So, I guess that's what I'd like to know, out of pure curiosity with no disrespect intended; How do the predictions of Nostradamus weigh in with religious beliefs?

[prophesies]

well, no disrespect taken.  Firstly, you will agree with me that the Bible has many characters, jesus included, that are Prophets and have prophesied about many events that have come to pass and still must come to pass.

Secondly, Nostradamus specifically states in his epistles that he is a devout catholic christian and that he used the Bible to assist him in coming to his prophetic conclusions. 

Thirdly, he mentions that he maybe slightly off in some of his predictions, which depending upon particular constellations may be calculated in or around a particular date, sometimes not exactly.  He does apologise for any inaccuracies.

Fourthly, Nostradamus was an educated man who was versed in Latin (the sacred text), which is used by the catholic church, and is used in many of his quatrains as keywords to assist in our interpretations.  He also uses many other languages and keywords to assist us in the puzzle.

Fifthly, He had to mix up the quatrains for fear that the link would be made to easily by those he needed to conceal it from, and in effect he would have been executed for heresy. 

Like many prophets from the Bible or Nostradamus himself, they give us signs to watch out for, not to prevent the act taking place, as it is impossible to intervene in prophesies, but to prepare for that which has been revealed(Revelation).

How you prepare is up to you but i will offer an option that was presented to me in my worst moments of my life, Jesus Christ(Yeshua), the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world.  "No one gets to the Father except through Me".  The way, The truth and the Life.  Think about it, who came before and after Christ and rose from the dead after three days,  who healed and spoke wisdom on the scale that Jesus did.  Did any of his words proclaim a message of despair, hopelessness, death, or any ill-will towards anyone. NO!  He promoted Hope, Health, Wisdom, Love(most of all, LOVE).

[Ecosse]

Hi folks
Of course Mr Nostradamus, had a healthy regard to the church, he knew it well, and it's power, he got in trouble once for making a joke about the "Virgin" something about graven images, he had to leave town.
But for an objective view from one across the subject:
E Leoni he that most net content, presents 95% correct but mistakes and mistranslations abound CXQ72 CVIIIQ70,


Let us now turn to the probability of Nostradamus' being fundamentally sincere, i.e., really believing he had foreseen future events and was writing of them. Even in this case, the source of his inspiration does not become clear. In various places in his Preface to his son and in his Epistle to Henry II, he refers to having natural powers inherited from his ancestors, to divine inspiration and to adjustment of divine inspiration with astrological computation. Most frequently he refers to the last combination. He vigorously denounces magic, undoubtedly with his cheek barely able to contain his tongue. Notwithstanding all his protestations, which were for the benefit of a Church which had no objection to prophecy so long as the Dark One was not its source, he was obviously hip-deep in magic. It is fortunate that we know the precise source of all his magical formulas and experiments.
In 1497 that industrious translator and astrologer Marsilio Ficino, published in Venice a Latin translation of a classical book on all the magic of the ancient world by Jamblichus, a 4th-century philosopher and Neoplatonist of the Byzantine empire. The book seems to have been quite popular and went through several reprints. One of these was done at Lyons in 1549. There seems little reason to doubt that this was the edition by which Nostradamus was inspired.
hope that helps.

[adqe]

ok thanks heaps guys! very useful info there. btw prophesies i have already found jesus thats kinda why i was curious as to the nature of nostradamus prophesies! But thanks youve shed some new light on this guy for me.

and keep an eye out on the history channel for that 'nostradamus 2012' show... should be interesting!

[garlic]

                    Hello people , 
                           I am here , a Newbie. I am looking at Century V Q.XCIX. I ask you , line by line , your input on my opinion. I only refference "The Final Prophecies of....." , you know, 7/89 Cheetham. Thanks.           
                                                               
                                                Milan, Ferrare, Turin and Aqualia
                                                 
                                              Capua and Brundis vexed by the Celtic nation. (Great Britain)

                                                  By the Lion (Field Marshall Montgomery) and his
                                   
                                      Eagle "like" (not France)  phalanx (U.S. 3rd Armor Division ).Under
          
                                                general George S. Patton.
                                            
                                                      when Rome will hold (beholding) to Old British chief.                      
           
                                        
              
            

                                             Now my friends , please give your take on my interpretation.

                                                     Thanks People , later..................................

[dfw]

My take on this prophecy is that these italian cities are under heavy perplextion by great britain due to the capture of an old british leader.
The lion,in prophetic language, is a king and his armies (eagles) with phalanx, a millitary formation of infantry armed with spears and weapons.
The eagles probably refers to an emblem representing power.

[prophesies]

Im inspired with your excellent information, please bring more revelation.

Hi folks
Of course Mr Nostradamus, had a healthy regard to the church, he knew it well, and it's power, he got in trouble once for making a joke about the "Virgin" something about graven images, he had to leave town.
But for an objective view from one across the subject:
E Leoni he that most net content, presents 95% correct but mistakes and mistranslations abound CXQ72 CVIIIQ70,


Let us now turn to the probability of Nostradamus' being fundamentally sincere, i.e., really believing he had foreseen future events and was writing of them. Even in this case, the source of his inspiration does not become clear. In various places in his Preface to his son and in his Epistle to Henry II, he refers to having natural powers inherited from his ancestors, to divine inspiration and to adjustment of divine inspiration with astrological computation. Most frequently he refers to the last combination. He vigorously denounces magic, undoubtedly with his cheek barely able to contain his tongue. Notwithstanding all his protestations, which were for the benefit of a Church which had no objection to prophecy so long as the Dark One was not its source, he was obviously hip-deep in magic. It is fortunate that we know the precise source of all his magical formulas and experiments.
In 1497 that industrious translator and astrologer Marsilio Ficino, published in Venice a Latin translation of a classical book on all the magic of the ancient world by Jamblichus, a 4th-century philosopher and Neoplatonist of the Byzantine empire. The book seems to have been quite popular and went through several reprints. One of these was done at Lyons in 1549. There seems little reason to doubt that this was the edition by which Nostradamus was inspired.
hope that helps.

[Ecosse]

C5Q99. Milan, Ferrara, Turin and Aquileia 1, Capua,
Brindisi vexed by the Celtic nation:
By the Lion and his eagles's phalanx 2,
 When the old British chief Rome will have.
1 aquilee = Or Venice.
2 Eagles phalanx = See 158 Probably used as a synonym for imperial.

XCIX. Milan, Ferrare, Turin, et Aquilleye, Capue,
Brundis vexés per geut Celtique:
Par le Lyon et phalange aquilee 1
Quant Rome aura le chef vieux Britannique.                         
1 Aquilee = OF: aquilé, curved like an eagle's beak, eagle-like.
CVQ 99. These cities cover every corner of Italy, to show how complete French activity in Italy will be. The conqueror is presumably Henry II after he has become Emperor. The identity of the British chief referred to in line 4 at Rome is not clear. An interpretation of this verse for the time of Napoleon (which is not unreasonable) does have an answer to this problem: Cardinal York, last of the Stuart’s, who died in Rome in 1807.

[Patricia]

I believe Nostradamus was Jewish whose family was made to convert to Catholicism by the French when he was a child to escape the inquisition. He resented the Church for that. Hitler was Jewish and Napoleon, per recent DNA studies, may have been a Moorish Jew. The anti-christs are supposed to be of the Jewish Tribe of Dan. Ray Mabus of the Obama Administration could be "Mabus" and Rahm Emanuel could be AC #3. He is Israeli-American and very militant, having had a terrorist father who blew up the Hotel David in Jerusalem.