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General Discussion / Re: Why is no one searching for Cesar
« on: April 07, 2011, 05:56:33 PM »
The message is for the French King that picks up the mess that is the west and gives it some hope, after it has gone down and is subjected to a severe humiliation.

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Quatrains / Re: Pope On A Dragon Defeats The Bear
« on: April 05, 2011, 06:14:42 AM »
One should be wary of purported claims about the ownership of the book, the ink is reportedly from a period after Nostradamus and the signature is Not Nostradamus'
sells though eh? :D

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Quatrains / Re: King of the Mongols
« on: April 05, 2011, 06:10:32 AM »
The real problem here though, is due to research done in the late 1990's whereby the originals of Nostradamus works were studied by experts, not half baked New Agers and the verdict was, There was no King of Terror, but a Debt paying King and another aside is that there  estimated to number 16 million descendants of Genghis Kahn alive today.

Pakistani I think born In India though. Tax like a carbon footprint!

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Quatrains / Re: Could he be Mabus?
« on: March 21, 2011, 04:11:51 AM »
I never understood in the 1st place the notion that the character named Mabus was integral to any of the problems we face, as most of the players that do the damage are here today and are not named Mabus.

It is about how the west loses and has problems thereafter keeping up.


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Quatrains / Re: Ideas for reading the Quatrains
« on: March 21, 2011, 03:50:44 AM »
The most basic problem with a lot of commentators is they do not realise they are reading riddles to start with, and boldly advance theories, and then try to cobble Nostradamus' work with a Biblical perspective.
They Never get to advance because they do not understand what they are reading.
On method:

If the syllables are counted and the caesura is located, the text becomes  The cardinal of the line above, disguised as a monk, fled and was killed. In each of Nostradamus's quatrains the first and third lines rhyme exactly, as do the second and fourth. There are very few exceptions to this rule. The rhymes themselves fit the criteria set by the manuals of his day, as, for example, the Art Poetique Francoys of Thomas Sebillet (1543). There was the 'equivoque,'  where the last two or more syllables of two lines were identical in sound and orthography, but different in meaning. This was considered by Nostradamus's contemporaries to be the most elegant of rhymes, and Nostradamus used it on many occasions. The ladder of rhyme types next descends to 'ryme riche,' where the last two or more syllables were identical in sound, but different in word juncture and/or spelling. The sequence continued down to the lowest figure, a semi rhyme, where only the last vowel sounds rhymed. Nostradamus did not use this semi rhyme. 'Vers commun' permitted, in addition to the ten basic syllables, extra, unaccented ('feminine') syllables after the fourth and tenth syllables. Other poets worked carefully with these extra syllables, pairing them in the middle of the line, but Nostradamus usually did not concern himself with this. Similarly, while Nostradamus occasionally indulged in alliteration and assonance, he did not concern himself with matching sound with idea. Nostradamus's poetry is very correct in a mechanical sense, and where the caesura seems to be in the wrong place, where a different number of syllables than ten (plus feminines, if present) emerges, where the rhymes are not perfect, the reader can expect problems in meaning. While Nostradamus used the poetic forms and techniques of his century, he shows little connection with his contemporaries in other matters. His poetry is very much his own, and one cannot say though I must confess that I am not an expert on 16th century French verse that here is an echo from so-and-so, a reply to so-and-so, an advance on so-and-so. While it is probable that he read the poetry of his contemporaries, there is no evidence for it. His muse was a jealous muse. It is quite possible that the largest impetus to poesy in Nostradamus's case came not from fine art verse of his day, but from the applied work in almanacs. It is an easy step from the paragraphs of the almanacs, as we know them from surviving specimens, to many of his quatrains. One such group includes the town-hail-and death quatrains, which usually consist of a list of places, horrors, and often-meteorological comment. In these instances the meteorology does not seem to be a symbolic statement for human interrelations, but weather predictions A la Old Fanner's Almanac, for their own sake. A typical example might list cloud formations or auroral displays, various types of bloodshed, and finish with a comment about heavy fog in the Juras. While it is always dangerous to generalize about Nostradamus's work, since his chief role is that of trickster, these verses usually have no central theme, and the reader is likely to waste his time looking for one. It is a fair guess that they were either almanac items that Nostradamus transferred to verse, or verse in imitation of almanac items. As a grouping they were probably quite useful, since they publicized specific towns (and might be purchased out of curiosity), and were probably very easy for Nostradamus to write, as he sat with his map of France before him. While such verses are atomic, there are many other verses that contain only two or three seemingly unrelated topics. Here, however, the reader must keep caution, for over and over I have had the experience of suddenly recognizing the larger unifying subject that Nostradamus carefully concealed under the guise of separatism. Yet, even so, there are verses that seem to be completely non-unitary. What this situation means is impossible to say. Some verses may have been built upon linkages in Nostradamus's mind that we can never experience; others may be deliberately pluralistic as mystifications; while still others may be simply verses of expedience, hastily tossed together out of notebook scraps to fill a page.

hose quatrains of Nostradamus's which are based on a single subject are usually the most interesting, not only for their technique but for their content. Sometimes they have to do with events in the immediate past; sometimes they are fantasies of history; and sometimes they shade into personal verse. .Such unitary quatrains are often broken into two parts, in which the first two lines may state a generality, while the last two strike a specific application. Or, very frequently the two parts march in parallel: the first two lines describe an omen, or a mythical event, while the last two show its :unrolling into life. In his introductions Nostradamus claimed that the. quatrains were first written and arranged in a pattern indicating historical evolution, then scrambled to make them unintelligible to the uninitiate. No pattern, however, is discernible, and his claim is not to be taken seriously. in some instances, indeed, quatrains have obviously been written in sequence, as can be determined by community of thought and echoes of language.
As a thoroughly trained Latinist Nostradamus was conversant with all the techniques that the ancients and his Latinate contemporaries used to confuse the unintricate in mind, and he used them with gusto. Metonymy, synecdoche, antonomasia are to be met with on every page. Personifications are rife, as is a whole host of Classical names obtained by ransacking Pliny and the early astrologers and geographers. Latin turns of phrase are common-in his work, and much of his vocabulary is Latinate, with nonce words that have been taken directly from Classical or Late Latin and adapted with French terminations. But in all this Latinism, Nostradamus, of course, was not unique; he was working in the manner of many of his contemporaries throughout Europe.
Nostradamus's rhetoric also includes frozen poetic forms (such as 'fer,' literally 'iron,' but by extension, ' sword,' or even 'slaughter'), technical terms from medicine and law, and occasionally words that must have been archaic when he wrote.
His metaphors of weather and war offer a peculiar problem to the modern reader, who is not likely to be automatically aware of the Renaissance-Baroque imagery of condemnation. When Nostradamus speaks of lightnings from the sky, thunderbolts, earthquakes, showers of javelins, he may, indeed, have had a literal meaning in mind; but he may equally have been using the platitudes of controversy. Quarrels and denunciations were often formally couched in such terms. Papal bulls spoke in this fashion, and even personal letters could take such paths. Calvin, for example, could refer to 'foudres' (thunderbolts), meaning a statement of disagreement from a friend. It may be so with Nostradamus.

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: March 13, 2011, 01:21:20 PM »
Er what evidence is there, that Nostradamus ever saw those paintings?
Seeing as the ink comes from a period after Nostradamus' death. ???

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: March 06, 2011, 12:17:54 AM »
Nostradamus was first and foremost a poet historian which puts him on neither side, he did however have a very bitter sense of humor which he employed on the then new French written language, which King Henri II brought into law by insisting by edict that all documentation be written in French and NOT Latin a clear break with the church control,  this also happened in other European countries about this time. (also on C6Q100 the only quatrain in Latin referencing it, also why it is helpful to have read Nostradamus' reading list which is one of 6 books referenced, in his work)

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"20 years ago if you suggested that a Muslim Caliphate would explode in the middle east and that attacks would be directed to places like Europe you would have been laughed at.  But now those are all becoming true and this tells us that schizophrenic people who master their occult skills can be of great value."

Not so, Charles De Fontbrune put out 2 books (In English) in 1980/3 that most western commentators try to emulate, this day with a similar theme as do his subsequent books (in French)

Loneliness and mental disorder, are no way to view future events.

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: February 28, 2011, 04:38:28 PM »
Nice to see conjecture at work and the indoctrination one carries however:
Not my view but a standard picture nonetheless done with some study and care:
FUTURE WARS
Most of humanity wishes for peace and concord between nations. A world without warfare is a wonderful dream, but Nostradamus speaks of horrible future conflicts and lethal new weaponry before the thousand years of peace begins. He speaks of war in Spain and southern France in the area of the Pyrenees Mountains. The Prophet foresees a desolate Paris. In C 3 Q 93 he writes:
In Avignon the chief of the whole empire
Will make a stop because Paris is desolate:
Tricast will hold the Annibalique ire:
Lyon by the change will be ill consoled.
The enigmatic Hannibal is predicted to destroy Rome and the Vatican. Nostradamus foresees a Persian (Iranian) leader will arise who will invade Turkey, Greece, and Macedonia with the war spreading throughout the Balkans. The Adriatic Sea area will see future conflict in southern Italy, along the eastern Italian coastline and in the northern Adriatic areas.
Nostradamus names the leaders of these wars “Hannibal,” “Ogmios,” “The Great Arab,” “Selin,” and the great “Chyren, Christian King of the World.” The Anti-Christ will arise and persecute the church and the people of the entire globe. His war will last twenty-seven years.
It is imperative to find the correct sequence to the quatrains so that we may all know how the
predictions of Nostradamus will fit into our future and so be better prepared.

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General Discussion / Re: Mabus decoded?
« on: February 23, 2011, 05:50:22 PM »
Methinks you are basing your prognostications on a few myths and hoaxes.
That book of  "Nostradamus" was printed well after Nostradamus' own death, so it is not his, and the NT bit is really only good for births deaths and marriages, the rest is poetic.
Most deities are ascribed to, either explain certain phenomena or events contrary to expectation (rain droughts Earthquakes etc).
That and for legal purposes to defer to a higher power.
We are in a historical cycle of boom and bust, and being in the beginning of a bust cycle now, the changes before us dwarf any that has gone before, on every front and level.
Good luck with your treatments. :)


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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 30, 2011, 06:05:31 PM »
Consider perhaps the new masters the Subcontinent!

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America in Nostradamus' terms are always in the pejorative!
"Profligate or Babylon"

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Unfortunately it is quite easy (Bit like the Bible to find quotes that are or might be suitable, though without supporting context:

33. Then will commence a persecution of the Churches the like of which was never seen. Meanwhile, such a plague will arise that more than two thirds of the world will be removed. One will be unable to ascertain the true owners of fields and houses, and weeds growing in the streets of cities will rise higher than the knees. For the clergy there will be but utter desolation. The warlords will usurp what is returned from the City of the Sun, from Malta and the Isles of Hyères. The great chain of the port which wakes its name from the marine ox will be opened.


50.  During this astrological supputation, harmonised with the Holy Scriptures, the persecution of the Ecclesiastical folk will have its origin in the power of the Kings of "Aquilon" [the North], united with the Easterners. This persecution will last for eleven years, or somewhat less, for then the chief King of "Aquilon" will fall.

51.  Thereupon the same thing will occur in the South, where for the space of three years the Church people will be persecuted even more fiercely through the Apostatic seduction of one who will hold all the absolute power in the Church militant. The holy people of God, the observer of his law, will be persecuted fiercely and such will be their affliction that the blood of the true Ecclesiastics will flow everywhere.
52.  One of the horrible temporal Kings will be told by his adherents, as the ultimate in praise, that he has shed more of human blood of Innocent Ecclesiastics than anyone else could have spilled of wine. This King will commit incredible crimes against the Church. Human blood will flow in the public streets and temples, like water after an impetuous rain, coloring the nearby rivers red with blood. The ocean itself will be reddened by another naval battle, such that one king will say to another, Naval battles have caused the sea to blush.



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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 29, 2011, 09:06:33 PM »
But those who know, Know that Nostradamus did NOT write that rhyme but lifted it from the Jambilicus. ;(

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Babylon may well have been a city in present day Iraq, but as metaphor used regularly in Nostradamus' writings is The economic center .
Bab·y·lon 2 (băbˈə-lən, -lŏnˌ)
noun

   1. A city or place of great luxury, sensuality, and often vice and corruption.
   2. A place of captivity or exile.

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