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General Discussion / Re: Poll: Who is Mabus?
« on: January 23, 2011, 12:12:09 PM »
Oh I don't know...  if you are an attractive female I might not mind being felt up.  (joke)

Anyway...

I think the basis of all of this can be found in physics.  Based on what little we know about the way our universe fits together there seems to be "hidden dimensions" of matter when you get down to the smallest quantum level.  Our minds operate using a mix of classical physics and quantum physics and consciousness appears to be the result of simple electricity. (electricity is itself made of quantum sized matter)

The "bottom line" is that we carry on with our normal lives thinking that we are flowing through time in a linear way, but in reality we are sort of like in a Rubics cube where time, space and matter all sort of present themselves as a single entity.

Our rare individuals that find access to comprehend reality become able to sense things outside the timeline we go through. (mediums, prophets)

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The bible was to ancient times what an encylopedia or the internet is today.  It was the collective teachings of the Jews (Old Testament) and the new revelations during the Roman Empire. (Jesus and the New Testament)  

Unfortunately the internet has no "editing" function, so we are essentially without morals as we zoom about on the internet.  In the old days information was controlled by the church which had it's good points and it's bad points.

The "Enlightenment" was a wonderful time for human development because they still held the moral principles of the bible, but were free to explore science.  Now things are not so good because the religious aspect of living is being drowned out by the information overload of the internet and now the use of cellphones with computers.

When WWIII happens (it could be a long time still) we will see a return to more religious thinking.  Every time a civilization is brought to ruin, either economically or through war the people adapt and gain their senses again.

Christianity will make a "comeback".  Nostradamus says so!!!

(it might be a new creed though...  a new religion based on Christianity but with new revelations)

If a "representative from god" comes his name might not be Jesus.

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Not if you believe that Nostradamus predicts the future.

In Nostradamus it is Sarkozy (Chiren) and the Western forces that defeat (or ally with) the Eastern forces of Russia, China and the terrorist Muslims.  (however it might not actually be Sarkozy but instead someone else)

Maybe Nostradamus is full of crap and things don't go this way, but if you are honest with the propechies you have a hard time arriving at any other conclusion.

This isn't to say that WWIII is a lot of fun.  America and Russia nearly wipe each other off the map with nuclear weapons and Europe is devastated too, but in the end Chiren is given the "sole title of victor" over all.  

The Muslim terrorists lose.

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor - VI.70


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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 22, 2011, 10:56:08 AM »
Don't forget about China and Russia.  Especially Russia because in the "Standard Picture" of events it is Russia that begins hostilities by doing "something" provocative in Europe.  It could be cutting off the natural gas pipeline or it could be an invasion of the lessor states... we don't know everything.  America then stands up to Russia and confronts them.  It's at this point that things sort of spin out of control and pretty soon the "two brothers" (Russia and America) are lobbing nuclear weapons at each other.

Meanwhile in Europe the radical Muslim terrorists are causing havoc and it's possible some nuclear weapons are smuggled in and used.  So far the delivery systems for nukes by operations like Al Qaeda is non-existent.  Don't rule out Iran either...  they could be throwing up a few nukes as well.  China is also throwing up some nukes, but they quickly back off and settle for peace.

Based on sheer numbers it's America and Russia that have the most nukes.  There are something like 20,000 warheads on each side in various levels of readiness.  Even after the first waves of attacks between the "two brothers" they still will hold vast reserves to continue afterwards.  Nukes might be used for several years as the war progresses and mutates.  Nuclear submarines will do their part. ("hidden globes")

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In the midst of this appears Chiren who is supposed to take control in Europe and get the "two brothers" to stop their warfare against each other and turn against the Muslims in Europe and the Middle East that are still fighting.  Eventually all the radical Muslim terrorists are put into prison and yet the children of the terrorists are allowed to remain free. (in other words Chiren doesn't make it a racist thing...  just because you are Muslim doesn't mean you go to jail)

The main thing to remember is that the radical Muslims lose...  they are more annoyance than anything else...

Russia and America fight
Russia and America make peace and join with Chiren
Chirens alliance defeats the radical Muslims
Peace returns


...it's a simple war to understand really.

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General Discussion / Re: Poll: Who is Mabus?
« on: January 21, 2011, 07:45:44 PM »
Ray Mabus has an interesting story.

Back in 2006 he left his post in Saudi Arabia (I think) after a successful term and we in the Nostradamus community had completely written him off as being eligible.  After all an old guy in retirement isn't going to be central to any story.  Then in 2008 when Obama brought him back to serve in Defense he suddenly gets revived as the main candidate for Mabus of Nostradamus.

I think in all probability his death will be more about timing...  he dies just before WWIII gets rolling in a big way.  This doesn't necessarily mean there is any "cause and effect" about his death, but it does operate as a signpost to the timeline.  Ray Mabus holds no significance other than being an important public figure who dies.

So I would just think to myself:

"Is Ray Mabus still alive and still in a position of power?  If so, then we still have plenty of time before WWIII.  But if he's dead then you need to start to do whatever you can to try to prepare for a war that will likely kill billions of people."

With that criteria we can still sleep peacefully.  (for now)

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 21, 2011, 03:11:45 PM »
"We repeat the same message to you: The release of your prisoners in the hands of our brothers is linked to the withdrawal of your soldiers from our country," bin Laden said. "The refusal of your president to withdraw from Afghanistan is the result of his obedience to America and this refusal is a green light to kill your prisoners."

Osama Bin Laden is in the news again.  He's directly threatening France now...  very much in tune with the "Standard Picture" which suggests in WWIII the radical Muslims within France will do all they can to cause trouble. (they lose, but they try)

If actual people die soon...  THIS is the kind of incident that would be written into a Quatrain.  

So we can see how awareness might emerge.

We are always in effect in a murky state of non-awareness and it's only after the fact that we can (hopefully) identify if a specific Quatrain matches an event.  We have the double problem of not knowing which events are significant and also not knowing how we might interpret events and match them.  That's why the "Standard Picture" is there to create a backdrop of events...  sort of the view from high up and looking down...  which allows us to be more patient with things.

We want to separate our emotions from events which is EASIER when the event is distant.  It's actually more difficult to think when the event is actually happening.  (so be thankful we are not under pressure now)

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 21, 2011, 03:05:39 PM »
You can be Hungarian and still have Greek ancestry.

Sarkozy is what we in America call a "mutt".  He's a mix of various ancestries and origins and yet he was raised Catholic, so he does have a strong "Catholic Bias" in his thinking.  It's this "Catholic Bias" that Nostradamus seems to pick up on.

He qualifies as the "Christian King of the World" (Selin Chiren) but that doesn't necessarily mean he is Chiren.  

All we have to do is wait and survive the first half of WWIII (not a guarantee for any of us) and it will become obvious.  If Sarkozy is Chiren we will know.

(it could be years from now)

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Who is he? Sarkozy?

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 18, 2011, 07:01:20 PM »
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy

"He is the son of Pál István Ernő Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa, who is of French Catholic and Greek Jewish origin...

...His paternal ancestor was elevated to the untitled nobility of Hungary on 10 September 1628 for his role in fighting the armies of the Ottoman Empire. The family possessed about 705 acres of land and a small castle in the village of Alattyán, near Szolnok, 92 km (57 miles) east of Budapest.[6] Pál Sárközy's father and grandfather held elective offices in the town of Szolnok. Although the Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa (nagybócsai Sárközy) family was Protestant, Pál Sárközy's mother, Katalin Tóth de Csáford (Hungarian: csáfordi Tóth Katalin), grandmother of Nicolas Sarkozy, belonged to a Catholic noble family."


Many have speculated that the present leader of France "could" be the Chiren of Nostradamus.  Being of Greek ancestry certainly fits the description of having "Trojan Blood".

If Sarkozy is Chiren then we have very little time left... (I hope not)

(note that you can be the leader of France these days and not be 100% of French ancestry)

Nostradamus was Jewish and also French...  so they would have something in common.

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I hate to confirm that Sarkozy is Chiren, but I do admit that he fits most all the criteria for being him.  Feels a little too early to be certain.  (privately I tend to believe that he is the one)

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Chiren == Sarkozy ? ? ?

First Term : 2007 - 2012
Second Term : 2012 - 2017

...so we still could have as much as six years before Sarkozy can no longer qualify to be the Catholic leader of France in the Nostradamus "Standard Picture" of events.

So what do you want to do with your life for six years?

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Sheffield England?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Sheffield

"Sheffield is the most geographically diverse city in England[1]. The city nestles in a natural amphitheatre created by a number of hills and the confluence of five rivers: Don, Sheaf, Rivelin, Loxley and Porter. As such, much of the city is built on hillsides, with views into the city centre or out to the countryside. The city is roughly one third urban, one third rural and one third in the Peak District. At its lowest point the city stands just 29 metres above sea level at Blackburn Meadows on the Rotherham border, rising up to over 500 m in some parts of the city to a peak of 548m at High Stones on the Derbyshire border. However, 89% of the housing in the city is between 100 and 200 metres above sea level."

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Thinking of the Quatrain:

"Through the drizzles in the air the fury of one,"

...this part of England fits the description of a place with constant drizzle.  It's a very moist land and near sea level.  The "fury" is likely the forces following Chiren's command that are hunting down Muslim terrorists.  "Fury of one" would then refer to the forceful direction of Chiren himself.

Nostradamus would likely have known about places in England.

"Isles" is a common term used in England as well which is likely another clue.  (British Isles)

Isle means "An island, especially a small one".   England is an island nation.


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In Summary...  I'd guess that Chiren leads Western forces into England in WWIII and six important Muslim terrorists somehow find a way to elude Chiren by hiding in some "bundles of flax" whatever that might be.

So Nostradamus is talking about Muslims that get away despite the best efforts of the Western forces to catch them.  (sort of like how Osama Bin Laden got away at Tora Bora in Afghanistan)

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The quatrain will only make sense in the middle of WWIII when Chiren is in the process of trying to round up all the Muslim terrorists in England. (so it has almost no relevance to our own time)  People will likely NEVER figure this out before it happens!!!!  But once it does happen it will be easy to realize that it did happen.

So we wait for six Muslim terrorists to be chased by Chiren in Sheffield England during WWIII. (but they escape)

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Century 6 - Quatrain 27

Within the Isles of five rivers to one,
Through the expansion of the great "Chyren Selin":
Through the drizzles in the air the fury of one,
Six escaped, hidden bundles of flax.

I just don't know.  Where are the "Isles of five rivers"?

Seems to me that the place has to be identified first without resorting to bizarre tangents.   There is a quatrain that talks about the "two rivers" which in context means Iraq. (Mesopotamia)  I'm sure that there is some place in Europe that Nostradamus would have known about where five rivers are all converging in one area.  Possibly an area like Holland because they have all those dikes that move water around.

Where do five rivers converge into one exit point?

Chiren is likely the correct person identified here.  Selin means "Wind-still" so maybe there is some connection to the ancient use of windmills in Holland? (unlikely)  However, it's probably more of a character meaning so the "stillness" probably refers to the stubburn nature of Chiren.  He has been described elsewhere as a focused personality.  (so it might have been added as a character association)

It might be a "verb" and not a "noun" in context.

So one might say:

"Stubburn Leader"

"Stubburn King"

"Selin King"

"Selin Chiren"

"Selin Chyren"

"Chyren Selin"

I've never seen much work done on trying to understand this one.

Why do I get the feeling you are going to say that Nostradamus was talking about some place in India?

(we all tend to want to think our own world was important in the mind of Nostradamus even when it probably was not)

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Hindu perspectives on Chiren:

Go here:

http://ww-iii.tripod.com/hindu.htm

A sample from the link:

Thus, the wars of Kalki came to an end with a defeat and a peace treaty that ended the WW-III. III[14] describes that after the war, Kalki handed over various portions of his liberated lands to various kings who were his allies and Satya Yuga (Age of Truth) was established on the Earth. Kalki himself stayed in Shambhala with his two wives, Padma and Roma. Finaly, III[19] describes the death of Kalki and his ascension to the heaven.

VIII.54 of Nostradamus also describes a marriage treaty by Chiren Selin, the equivalent of Kalki -

Under the colour of the marriage treaty,
a magnanimous act by the 'Chyren Selin' :
St. Quintin and Arras recovered on the journey;
By the Spanish a second butcher's bench is made. - VIII.54

Even though Kalki is considered as the God incarnate, his human qualities have been highlighted all through the text. He had his share of losses in battles and ups and downs, which are consistent with any war in the modern times where the warring forces are equally matched and possess weapons of mass destruction. Chyren, described by Nostradamus seems to have lost in some battles too :

The great man led captive from a foreign land,
chained in gold, offered to King CHYREN :
He who in Ausonia, Milan, will lose the war
and all his army put to fire and sword. Nostradamus, IV.34

But the fact that Kalki is a good strategist and an excellent negotiator is quite apparent from the texts as well as the fact that he has some qualities which make him the undisputed leader of the allied forces even though he is initially not even the "King" of his own country. At the most, he is a high ranking Army officer with some very exceptional qualities, whose stature only grows as events unfold, such that he is unanimously accepted as the "King of the World" and as a Messiah by all religions.


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Basically the "Standard Picture" (as I call it) website supports prophecies from multiple sources including Hindu.

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http://ww-iii.tripod.com

Within what I call the "Standard Picture" of events (we anticipate) there is a man who is labeled "Chiren" or "Chyren" that leads the forces of the West to victory over the Eastern forces including the Muslims.  

All we know is that "someone" shows up AFTER the war has started and assumes this role.  Aside from some general background descriptions (German Heart, Trojan Blood, etc) we know little about who he is.

In many ways Chiren is more important than Mabus who might just be associated with an event around the time of the beginning of the war.  


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Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor - VI.70

Of Trojan blood he will be born with a German heart
and will rise to a very great power.
He will drive out the foreign, Arabic nation
and return the Church to her early glory - V.74

Selin king, Italy peaceful, kingdoms
united by the Christian King of the World.
When he dies he will want to lie in Blois territory,
having chased the pirates from the sea - IV.77

The great man led captive from a foreign land,
chained in gold, offered to King CHYREN.
He who in Ausonia, Milan will lose the war
and all his army put to fire and sword - IV.34

The king of Europe will come like a griffon,
accompanied by those of the North;
he will lead a great troop of red and white,
they will go against the king of Babylon - X.80

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General Discussion / Re: who is mabus
« on: January 13, 2011, 06:32:44 PM »
I'm going to help your argument a great deal.

Go here:

http://ww-iii.tripod.com/hindu.htm

A sample from the link:

Thus, the wars of Kalki came to an end with a defeat and a peace treaty that ended the WW-III. III[14] describes that after the war, Kalki handed over various portions of his liberated lands to various kings who were his allies and Satya Yuga (Age of Truth) was established on the Earth. Kalki himself stayed in Shambhala with his two wives, Padma and Roma. Finaly, III[19] describes the death of Kalki and his ascension to the heaven.

VIII.54 of Nostradamus also describes a marriage treaty by Chiren Selin, the equivalent of Kalki -

Under the colour of the marriage treaty,
a magnanimous act by the 'Chyren Selin' :
St. Quintin and Arras recovered on the journey;
By the Spanish a second butcher's bench is made. - VIII.54

Even though Kalki is considered as the God incarnate, his human qualities have been highlighted all through the text. He had his share of losses in battles and ups and downs, which are consistent with any war in the modern times where the warring forces are equally matched and possess weapons of mass destruction. Chyren, described by Nostradamus seems to have lost in some battles too :

The great man led captive from a foreign land,
chained in gold, offered to King CHYREN :
He who in Ausonia, Milan, will lose the war
and all his army put to fire and sword. Nostradamus, IV.34

But the fact that Kalki is a good strategist and an excellent negotiator is quite apparent from the texts as well as the fact that he has some qualities which make him the undisputed leader of the allied forces even though he is initially not even the "King" of his own country. At the most, he is a high ranking Army officer with some very exceptional qualities, whose stature only grows as events unfold, such that he is unanimously accepted as the "King of the World" and as a Messiah by all religions.


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The link goes on forever and I'm not educated in Hindu knowledge, so it's "all greek to me" as the saying goes.  Maybe you would know more about this.

Basically the "Standard Picture" (as I call it) website supports prophecies from multiple sources including Hindu.

What we need is a thread about Chiren alone....

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 10, 2011, 05:32:30 PM »
You have to be careful about guessing too much about the intentions that Nostradamus might have in choosing "replacement" name titles.  The reason seems to be to insert a sort of "wildcard" into the place of a name.  If Nostradamus had simply named the important people up front, then it might actually change history as people might react to it.  By not directly naming people and putting something that "is similiar" in place it ensures that history is unaltered.  Why didn't he just say "the heck with it" and name people directly?  In the near term it was the church...  but for distant futures it should have been okay to be literal.

Anyway...  Nostradamus may have chosen a "wildcard" from a foreign language source, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he was trying to say that person was from a foreign place.   Chiren might have a Hindu connection, but that doesn't alter the "Standard Picture" that still places everything in Europe.

Chiren is:

European
Probably of Greek descent
A stubburn personality
Leads Europe to Victory
Is able to get Russia and America to become his allies
Defeats Muslim terrorism in Europe and in the Middle East
Dies of natural causes and is buried in France


...those are the expectations based on the "Standard Picture".

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