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That's just garbage.

The Lords of Aquilon end up on the side of Chiren.  America and Russia
and Europe all end up defeating the Muslims.

Does Nostradamus hate Chiren for his alliances?

I doubt it, all the "good guys" in the world manage to defeat the
serpent that is Islam.  Nostradamus says the Muslims lose.  Anyone
that supports Chiren is a "good guy" in the opinion of Nostradamus.

Russia starts out supporting the evil side in the beginning, but comes
clean and supports the good side in the end.

The good triumphs and the evil loses.  Muslims lose.

Nostradamus is an optimist for the good in Europe to win. (eventually)

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 30, 2011, 08:19:59 PM »
Until Chiren this will be true...  the middle east is predicted by Nostradamus to
have a short lived reign.

Like Nazi Germany... the Muslims will have their day.

(and like the Nazi's they lose in the end)

A coincidence that the Muslim Brotherhood modeled itself after the ideas
of Nazi Germany?  I don't think so, they are of the same seed.  The
"demon seed" does not win WWIII in the end. (nor did it win WWII)

The "good guys" win WWIII, so the Muslims lose.

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The New Russian Threat Out of the Old Soviet Collapse

Submitted by JR Nyquist on Fri, 28 Jan 2011

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/the-new-russian-threat-out-of-the-old-soviet-collapse

"...But all was not lost for the KGB or the Communist elite. Decades earlier, Soviet planners had looked ahead to a time when a reform of the Soviet system would be necessary. In a book published in 1984, KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn wrote about a secret Soviet plan to do away with Communist Party dominance. This, he said, would be a deception. The Communist Party would still exist underneath the surface. It would merely go underground, or break into various new parties that would control the Russian political process according to a script. In facing the crisis, Kalashnikov noted the Kremlin's agility: "Moscow managed to regroup itself, to recuperate, by launching Islamist forces. In this way they kept Soviet legitimacy. This is extremely important to understand. In diplomatic terms, the Russian Federation is the Soviet Union of today. It has all the prerequisites, with the Security Council, central structures, etc. And it retains the status of nuclear superpower. Back in 1991 we were told, 'Listen comrade, it is a defeat for us. But it is a temporary setback.' The Soviet Union never accepted defeat in the Cold War, not for a minute. There was not even a temporary break in the policy from Gorbachev to Yeltsin to Putin. We have been reorganizing and will be back on track. You may remember the removal of the Dzerzhinsky monument from in front of KGB headquarters. Now let me describe the reaction in our ranks, in our residencies. When we saw what happened in Moscow, there was a general sigh of relief. We knew that someone had masterfully distracted the crowd in front of our headquarters to that poor Dzerzhinsky monument, so our premises remained untouched. That was a huge difference from what happened in East Berlin. We immediately realized that the leaders and organizers of that crowd were KGB assets, our agents. The fall of Dzerzhinsky's statue was arranged by the KGB. It was ultimately a fake event.""

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Also note that Russia is presently "using" the Egyptian chaos to launch an attack on the people of Chechnya.  Russia has literally played both sides of the Muslim game all along.  The Muslims are so obsessed with their vision of glorified death that they are easy to manipulate by the Russians.

Understanding how Russia is "playing" the Muslims is central to understanding WWIII.

The Muslim radicals are obvious... the Russian power is hidden.

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The radical Muslims go into WWIII THINKING that Russia is on their side, but they are betrayed.  Then the Muslim groups start to betray each other until they lose to Chiren.

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Nostradamus basically portrays the radical Muslims as stupid.

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"During this astrological supputation, harmonised with the Holy Scriptures, the persecution of the Ecclesiastical folk will have its origin in the power of the Kings of "Aquilon" [the North], united with the Easterners. This persecution will last for eleven years, or somewhat less, for then the chief King of "Aquilon" will fall."

Russia (King of "Aquilon") begins WWIII on the side of the Muslims. (Easterners)

The leader of Russia dies.

Russia switches sides and joins Chiren against the Muslims.

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...the persecution of the Ecclesiastical folk will have its origin in the power of the Kings of "Aquilon"

When he uses the plural "Kings" he's talking about the long history of Russian leadership from Lenin, Stalin, all the way to Putin that discourages religion.  Stalin was the worst.  Persecution of the christian faith by the Russians has been a long process covering multiple "kings".

(it's easy to confuse that with the Russia / America kings of the North)

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I know for people who are new to Nostradamus it's hard to understand but that's the "Standard Picture".

It's kind of like a puzzle...  you can get the answer wrong at first.

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The Kings of "Aquilon" (two in number) are like brothers and yet not like brothers.  Russia and America are both of the North, both have nuclear weapons, even somewhat look alike for the most part as the majority of both places are white people.  

Try reading the next posting...

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 30, 2011, 06:25:32 AM »
"...and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend around the world."

What countries or regions in the middle east make up the Triumvirate?

My guess would be that the countries would be those with large populations.

The first most obvious choice is Iran.  No debate needed.

The second could be Egypt if things go as we expect with the revolution there and the Muslim Brotherhood takes over.

The third is Turkey.  I vaguely remember a discussion about this topic about eight years ago (gives an idea how long I've thought about this stuff) There is a some quatrain somewhere that suggests that Turkey is the last to fall.

If it's a count to "three" we are now on "two"....

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 29, 2011, 07:41:27 AM »
NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN #6-101

THE LAW ISSUED AGAINST INEPT CRITICS

Let those who read this verse consider it profoundly,
Let the profane and the ignorant herd keep away:
And far away all Astrologers, Idiots and Barbarians,
May he who does otherwise be subject to the sacred rite.


...from the perspective of Nostradamus those not of the West are the barbarians.
He cautions that many people will use his Quatrains for their own purposes over time.

Note: The "sacred rite" suggests Nostradamus was probably in a secret society.

During WWII the Germans "used" Nostradamus to predict German victory.  Unfortunately
there were German researchers that started to realize that Nostradamus was predicting
that the Germans would LOSE WWII and they would quickly be shot by the German
authorities for being disobedient.  Killing the messenger didn't change the outcome.

Truth does not respect tyrants, barbarians, astrologers...  or radical Muslim prophets
when it comes to Nostradamus !!!

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No, that's radical Muslim propaganda talking.

America is not seen negatively by Nostradamus.  America is an ally of Chiren and Nostradamus loves Chiren and he loves the West.

Just forget about it...  Nostradamus is clearly pro-Western.  If you are hoping that a French Catholic Jew is going to cheer for Islam you can dream on forever, but the French at that time really hated the Muslims and it shows in Nostradamus by his point of view.

Nostradamus is an extremely "pro-Western" prophet... and a Jew.

Let's be reminded what Nostradamus wrote about WWIII in the letter to Henry:

For hereupon the principal Eastern chief will be vanquished by the Northerners and Westerners, and most of his people, stirred up, will be put to death, overwhelmed or scattered. His children, offspring of many women, will be imprisoned. Then will be accomplished the prophecy of the Royal Prophet, Let him hear the groaning of the captives, that he might deliver the children of those doomed to die.

What great oppression will then fall upon the Princes and Governors of Kingdoms, especially those which will be maritime and Eastern, whose tongues will be intermingled with all others: the tongue of the Latins, and of the Arabs, via the Phoenicians. And all these Eastern Kings will be chased, overthrown and exterminated, but not altogether, by means of the forces of the Kings of the North, and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend around the world. The sacrifice of the hole and immaculate Wafer will be sustained.

Then the Lords of “Aquilon” [the North], two in number, will be victorious over the Easterners, and so great a noise and bellicose tumult will they make amongst them that all the East will tremble in terror of these brothers, yet not brothers, of “Aquilon” [the North].

The king of Europe will come like a griffon,
accompanied by those of the North;
he will lead a great troop of red and white,
they will go against the king of Babylon - X.80


Russia and America are:

"the Kings of the North"
"the Lords of “Aquilon” [the North], two in number"
"of these brothers, yet not brothers, of “Aquilon” [the North]"
"accompanied by those of the North"

...the story is more clear than most people realize if they just read it.


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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 28, 2011, 05:58:59 PM »
The Henry character emerges, after the defeat of the west!

Again this is false.

Europe will suffer from terrorism.  What we are seeing in the middle east is the early stages where the Muslim world gets the idea that it can defeat the West. (a dumb idea)

But if you've actually studied what Nostradamus is saying the "bottom line" is that in WWIII the Muslims lose.

I post the definitive info just to remind everyone what will be:

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor - VI.70

For hereupon the principal Eastern chief will be vanquished by the Northerners and Westerners, and most of his people, stirred up, will be put to death, overwhelmed or scattered. His children, offspring of many women, will be imprisoned. Then will be accomplished the prophecy of the Royal Prophet, Let him hear the groaning of the captives, that he might deliver the children of those doomed to die.

What great oppression will then fall upon the Princes and Governors of Kingdoms, especially those which will be maritime and Eastern, whose tongues will be intermingled with all others: the tongue of the Latins, and of the Arabs, via the Phoenicians. And all these Eastern Kings will be chased, overthrown and exterminated, but not altogether, by means of the forces of the Kings of the North, and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend around the world. The sacrifice of the hole and immaculate Wafer will be sustained.

Then the Lords of “Aquilon” [the North], two in number, will be victorious over the Easterners, and so great a noise and bellicose tumult will they make amongst them that all the East will tremble in terror of these brothers, yet not brothers, of “Aquilon” [the North].


The Lords of “Aquilon” are Russia and America... the countries that own all the nukes.

People who are hoping that the Muslims will win should HATE Nostradamus because he says they lose...



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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 28, 2011, 11:08:34 AM »
Egypt

This revolution going on in Egypt is expected within the "Standard Picture" of events.  Before WWIII gets into full swing it's expected that the entire middle east has cobbled together a kind of "new Caliphate" which unifies for what they think will be a successful defeat of the West.

Nostradamus says otherwise...

Obviously by now (if you have been reading and paying attention) you know that the West is lead by Chiren to eventually defeat the combined forces of the Muslims (both terrorist and otherwise) after an ugly world war.  The unification of the Muslim world does not last long:

"...and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend around the world."

(so the unity of the Muslims lasts seven years)

So we are at the BEGINNING of this process...  there are years and years and years of wild new developments to come, so don't hold your breath.

2012 is the "official" beginning of all of this.  (so we are in the prelude still)

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The radical Muslims "lose" WWIII, but at times it will seem like they might "win".

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General Discussion / Re: Poll: Who is Mabus?
« on: January 27, 2011, 04:52:44 PM »
Not true.

Nostradamus simply says that he sees a certain period of time into the future and after that he doesn't know.  Up to the point his "crystal ball" goes cloudy the earth still has humans and things are fine.

Nostradamus is not an "End of the World" prophet...  he simply gives us a "Standard Picture" to follow and we are free to diverge if we can.  It's unclear if Nostradamus thinks we are capable of changing the future, he seems to think it "might" be possible, but then he goes about telling us a static picture of things.

I guess until the "Standard Picture" Nostradamus created becomes invalid we have to assume that the future will fit into his vision...  (like it or not)

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In Star Trek when there are infinite possible outcomes they call it the "Infinite Universes" theory.  They've had many episodes dealing with this sort of thing.  We don't know if that theory is valid.  

The bible says it's the "Book of Life" and is therefore unchanging.  Every sin you make is permanently written into your cosmic record and it exists after you die. (and your life is judged by the totality of your sins as well as your good deeds)  It's only through the grace of god that you can be forgiven in the afterlife for your sins.

I guess you have to take your pick because "free will" is one of the earliest philosophical debates that man has had.  Nostradamus doesn't give an easy answer.

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I'd say the probability of that is about 1%.

"King of Babylon" is going to mean the obvious...  some leader in the Middle East.  It might be Iran or it could be Iraq.  We know that the Muslims have internal strife (Sunni vs Shiite) and Nostradamus talks about why the Muslims in the middle east fail in the Letter to Henry:

"And all these Eastern Kings will be chased, overthrown and exterminated, but not altogether, by means of the forces of the Kings of the North, and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another."

I've seen people horribly mangle the meaning of this paragraph that doesn't seem to translate well to english.  What Nostradamus is saying that the "two brothers" (America and Russia who are the Kings of the North) along with Chiren will go after the middle east and their efforts have a significant impact, but it's the internal differences between Iraq and Iran over their creeds (Sunni vs Shiite) that ultimately defeats them from the inside.  It's also interesting that Nostradamus talks of "three secretly united in the search for death".  The "secretly united in the search for death" part is obvious...  muslims like to blow themselves up in their murder / suicide bombings in order to get to heaven.  The "three" part means that there are three creeds to consider...  Iran (Persian), Iraq, Kurds, Saudi Arabia...  it's hard to say which three dominant muslim groups emerge in the war.  I'd guess Sunni, Shiite and Kurd is the easy answer, but it could be something else.  There are also various strains of Al Qaeda and I wouldn't be surprised if a few more factions emerge.  Now Egypt is becoming destabilized, maybe there is a faction that comes from there...  I just don't know.

Not only do the Muslim terrorists lose in Europe, but the Muslim countries in the middle east are unable to sustain unity in the face of the Western onslaught.

If anyone is Muslim and wants jihad against the West they are going to HATE Nostradamus because he basically calls them the "losers" in this war.

This is why I keep reminding people how optimistic Nostradamus really is...  he's a French Catholic Jew that sees his own preferred winner at the end of WWIII. (Chiren)  Nostradamus favors the West because he comes from the Christian West.  His Jewishness seems to not be in as much conflict with Catholicism as we see things today.  Back in those times there was no Zionism and so Jews integrated themselves into whatever culture they existed within.  One wonders if Nostradamus would support or oppose Israel today...  I would suspect he would probably support the idea of a Jewish state, but I can also see him going the other way.  It's inconclusive in my mind.


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All you have to do is look at Europe now with their socialist governments and their weak immigration policies and it's obvious that they have been creating an opening for trouble.

Europe will be heading towards more Austerity and stiffer immigration policies in the future, but most of the damage has already been done.

We need to remember that Chiren is there to RESTORE the traditions of Europe and bring it back to something great.  Europe at the moment is nearing rock bottom. (if not at rock bottom)

Chiren is an optimistic figure because he's sort of the opposite of anything socialistic or soft.

(Chiren is a stubborn leader with Catholic values)

Don't judge the future by present trends.

Nostradamus says things reverse.

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It's funny to think that in a social / political sense Nostradamus is actually projecting an OPTIMISTIC future because he's saying that Europe returns to it's traditions.  WWIII is terrible of course, but the people will become better people as a result of it. This is often the case when humans suffer, they become better people afterwards.

Few people recognize that Nostradamus paints an optimistic picture for Europe. (afterwards)

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All the major countries survive WWIII.  Russia survives.  America survives.  Europe survives and is victorous as a leader of the war.  Even the middle east that is beaten and battered during the war has survivors.  And in Europe the children of Muslim women are allowed freedom, so there is no new Holocaust where the Europeans put all the Muslims into ovens like they did with the Jews in WWII.  This time the minority population is treated with love.  It has a kind of happy ending.

The war eventually ends and peace returns...  but years later wars start up again.

Humanity is not wiped off the earth at any time in Nostradamus... there is no "End of the World" in his prophecies...

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What I'm writing could be dissapointing for many people who read Nostradamus in hopes of finding something awful.  Many want the world to end, or they want Jews to die or Europeans to die or Muslims to die, and there are deaths in WWIII, but no one is wiped off the face of the earth.  A lot of people just don't want to hear that things don't hit the extremes they hope for.  In a world with 6 billion people you can lose 3-5 billion and still populate the earth rather easily.  We have a massive surplus of humanity that will need to be trimmed back, but the future will continue on after.

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General Discussion / Re: The "Standard Picture"
« on: January 24, 2011, 07:07:16 AM »
Not quite...

Central to understanding the flow of events is to look at the concept of the "two brothers".  They are said to both be "of the north" and they are supposed to touch each other up north.  Alaska and Russia face each other across the Bering Strait.

Next, the timeline goes like this:

Russia begins with an encroachment into Europe.
America gets involved and resists Russian agression.
Russia attacks America in a surprise nuclear strike.
America responds with it's own nuclear strike.

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Meanwhile in Europe the radical Muslims are causing terrorism and really messing Europe up badly.  The use of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons complicates matters.  Chiren leads the Western forces against the radicals and manages to get Russia and America ("the two brothers") to assist in his cause and to become allies again.

Why would Russia begin as an enemy and end as an ally with America?

Because Russia is ruled by a "gangster" government that when the war begins is wiped out by nuclear weapons.  The surviving Russia people never liked their government anyway, so there was no problem switching sides.  The poor Russians have a long and terrible history of their government treating them badly...  it seems to be deeply ingrained in their minds.

In effect the Russians "declare a Mulligan" (do you know the golf term?) and completely abandon the attack once their leadership is taken out.  The war between Russia and America might only last a few hours or days.

By comparison the war in Europe with the radical Muslims creating terror will go on for years and years.  It's an ugly internal mess that Chiren has to sytematically beat down until the radicals are spent.  Chiren also leads the West against the middle east.

Finally Chiren gets to be given the sole title of victor... but it takes a long time.

The king of Europe will come like a griffin
Accompanied by those of the North.
He will lead a great troop of red and white
And they will go against the king of Babylon.
(X/86, p. 421)

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It's not clear that the radical Muslims actually "hold" Europe, but instead aren't simply "terrorizing" Europe all that time.  Given the description of Chiren chasing down and then putting in prison the radical Muslims I tend to think it's a case where chaos rules.

I would be VERY DOUBTFUL that 10% or less of the population of Europe (the Muslims) can actually dominate and control the full population.

But terrorism can in effect "seem like" they are in control.  Look at Iraq or Afghanistan, they have dealt with a tiny percentage of disciplined radical Muslims that were able to frustrate and tie up a much larger force.

Chiren will likely force changes in the laws of Europe to crack down on the Muslims that are radicalized.  The entire process could take 14 years very easily.  Throw in some nuclear blackmail and you can see how chaotic the situation could be.

America has been fighting in Afghanistan since 2002, so that's 9 years already and that's just one small country.

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An extremely small percentage of a population driven by radical ideas can create chaos for years.

Nostradamus describes a chaotic WWIII where it's difficult to know what is going on. (which matches the concept of terrorism as a warfare technique)

Don't forget that the use of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons are expected.  There is going to be so much death and destruction that basic systems will break down.  While all the basic services we are used to in modern life are failing the terrorists are just piling on top of all of this with their random destruction.  The combined effect of system failure and terrorism creates an outcome that magnifies things for the worse.

Chiren approaches the situation with a "German Heart" and stubbornly (Selin - "Still Wind") tracks down the radical Muslims and places them in prison.  He allows the Muslim children to remain free, but those radical Muslims stay in prison for life.

Eventually things settle down, but not before Chiren and the Western forces go down to the middle east and force them to accept peace.

In the end Chiren is given the sole title of victor.  (but it's a long grinding path to get there)

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As for Sarkozy...  yes...  if too much time goes by he might be too old to complete the prophecy.  However, let's not forget that Chiren dies of natural causes shortly after the end of WWIII, so he might be fairly old when it all happens.  Sarkozy was born in 1955, so let's assume he can live to see 75 years old which would get him to 2030 which is within the expectation.  Let's assume he lives two years after the end of the war so we get: 2030 - 14 - 2 = 2014 which is not unrealistic for the start of WWIII.

I guess we will see...

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General Discussion / Re: Poll: Who is Mabus?
« on: January 23, 2011, 03:22:51 PM »
It's most likely that Revelations was directed at Rome as a metaphor.  There are many things in the story that directly match that of Rome and the 666 number can be translated into Nero.  In all probability the prophecy was expected to come true for the jews a long time ago.

The metaphor does have a universal quality to it that every generation seems to latch onto...  and you never know...  maybe WWIII is the same thing as Revelations.

I tend to stick to Nostradamus because his vision doesn't have a climactic end to it.  His prophecies stretch out to something like the year 3500 or so and he doesn't say the world ends at that point, but just that he does not go beyond that time.

On TV they always want to associate Nostradamus with the "End of the World" which is completely false.  In fact, the story that Nostradamus paints for WWIII is somewhat positive in that the Western forces defeat the radical Muslims and peace does return.  There is far more optimism for the long term prospects of humanity in Nostradamus than people give him credit.

Nostradamus is basically saying no matter how much humans screw things up we still exist on the earth ALIVE up to the year 3500 and beyond.  That's very optimistic and positive.


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