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Title: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Still standing on August 29, 2016, 11:02:42 AM


Did I identify the New City which Nostradamus speaks about?
The event which will take place in the skies above it?  Did I interpret
the Third Secret of Fatima correctly?  Please have a look at what I posted
on YT (not very professionally done, I might add,  but it was my first time doing
anything like that, plus the heat that day was stifling) please see below. 
If link does not register I have placed the title of the vid. 

Thank you for your attention in this matter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxkr3c9j6LU

Nostradamus, Fatima and the New Age.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Still standing on August 30, 2016, 07:59:00 AM


BTW - just to get a conversation going - should there be any -
please check out the following quatrain.  It should be familiar to you since
everyone and their grandmother tried to make it fit to New York and 9/11.

Century 6 Quatrain 97

At forty five degrees the sky will burn
Fire to approach the great New City
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up
When they will want to have verification from the Normans

(or another version of the last line)

When the world will want (or demand) to have verification from the Normans.

Answer as to the identification of the New City, with support from this quatrain
and others.

Quebec City.

I'll explain in depth again ... should you be interested.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on July 02, 2018, 07:00:53 AM


BTW - just to get a conversation going - should there be any -
please check out the following quatrain.  It should be familiar to you since
everyone and their grandmother tried to make it fit to New York and 9/11.

Century 6 Quatrain 97

At forty five degrees the sky will burn
Fire to approach the great New City
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up
When they will want to have verification from the Normans

(or another version of the last line)

When the world will want (or demand) to have verification from the Normans.

Answer as to the identification of the New City, with support from this quatrain
and others.

Quebec City.

I'll explain in depth again ... should you be interested.


Okay for those who are interested, let's look at the last line first.

When the world will demand verification from the Normans.
The Normans could be people from a northern province in France
called Normandy or to a northern people or country.  Of course, if you put them together
you would have a northern country with a province which speaks French.  That leaves Canada as the only possible choice.  
The province of Quebec which speaks French.


Second line.  Fire to approach the great new city which must be at or near 45 degrees latitude as stated in the first line.

In 2008 Canada celebrated the four hundredth anniversary of Quebec City as being the oldest city in Canada.

Therefore, if it was the oldest city then, at one time, it must have been the new city.

Now please look at the vid and see how Lyons in France at 45 degrees latitude fits perfectly with Quebec City
at 46 degrees latitude.  Both new cities.  Both stararted out as a fort.  The former on a hill, the latter on a summit.
Lyons, the city of walls, Quebec City being a walled city.  Now factor in Lyons connection to Mother Mary
and why I believe the event of the Lady clothed with the sun will be booting Satan's head in above the skies of Quebec City.
Yes, .. I was wrong about the timeframe in the vid but I still believe it is going to happen in the near future and will circle around
a Fatima day.

There's a  lot more but what I posted will be enough for now.

Have a good day


Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on July 23, 2018, 11:49:06 AM
Here's another quatrain which, if nothing else, shows that Nostradamus was indeed
predicting the event of the Lady clothed with the sun whereby She will boot Satan in the back
of the head in the sky.


Just going by memory I'll find the exact century and number in the near future and put it here.

The day that she will be hailed as Queen.
The day after the benediction and prayer.
The reckoning is right and valid.
Once humble never was one so proud.

Lucifer once humble never so proud?
(Esp given the nature of the world today?)
The Queen after the benediction and prayer?
The Queen of Heaven?
The reckoning is right and valid.
The day they meet in the sky?
And where?   Above, Quebec City.  The New City as already mentioned.

Century 10 Quatrain 19.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on July 25, 2018, 11:02:21 AM
Here's more support.
In the first quatrain re the new city and the projected event, you will note Nostradamus gave us
some geographical hints.  45 degrees verification from the Normans . a new city.  Now look at the next quatrain.

Century 1 Quatrain 87.

Earth shaking fire from the center of the earth
Will cause the towers near the New City to shake.
Two great rocks for a long time will make war.
And then Arethusa will color a new river red.

Historical clue this time as opposed to georaphical ones.

Two great rocks for a long time will make war.

Again referring to Canada and how England and France were at war for a long time.
In fact, it was England which conquered the French at the decisive battle for Canada at ... Quebec City.

Earth shaking fire from the center of the earth
Will cause the towers near the New City to shake.

Satan rising?  Shaking the earth?   Coming from the center of the earth?
The towers near or in Quebec City will shake


And then ... Or after Mother Mary causes Satan to have a downfall with a sizeable number of people
having a downfall with him.  And then ...

Arethusa - a water nymph will color a new river red.
The Age of Aquarius will begin with the said event and there will be the deaths of the innocents
and the wicked.  Blood will be spilled.  Mankind will be given their final warning.

Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on July 28, 2018, 02:44:14 PM
And speaking of a Heavenly event where blood will be spilled for the Age of Aquarius
to begin in Canada - Quebec City


Quatrain Century 1 Quatrain 55


In the land with a climate opposite of Babylon
There will be a shedding of blood.
Heaven will seem unjust both on land, sea and in the air.
Sects, famines, kingdoms, plague, comfusion.

Last line is a filler.  Nothing significant.

Now let's go through lines 1 - 3.


In a land with a climate opposite to Babylon.

Well, that in and of itself, given the Canadian winters, would be opposite of, Babylon, in the Mid East, but let's look
at something else as well.  Nostradamus wrote - climat - for climate ... In a sixteenth century French dictionary
it could mean - region, part, portion (of thr sky)  So, the real climate comparisons, notwithstanding.
we would have a land with a region or part or portion (of the sky) which is opposite of Babylon.

A land with a region and in that region - or above it - in the sky, at around 45 degrees?  Something will happen?
Like something could happen in the skies above Quebec City ... the, new city.

And what could be the consequence of this event if it does concern Mother Mary
fulfilling the prophecy of the Lady clothed with the sun?
Read on.

There will be a shedding of blood.
Heaven will seem unjust both on land, sea and in the air.

What will - seem - unjust and where did this event originate, Heaven?
And, will it not send shock waves  throughout the world on land, sea and in the air?


Arethusa will color a new river red.

 




Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on July 28, 2018, 07:43:18 PM
Here are two quatrains in a row, the first already analyzed

The day she will be hailed as Queen.
The day after the benediction and prayer.
The reckoning is right and valid.
Once humble never was one so proud.

The Lady clothed with the sun.  Now consider the next quatrain.

C1 Q92

Fire, color of gold from the sky seen on earth.
Heir struck from on high, marvelous deed done.
Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken.
Deaths spectacular, the proud one escaped.


An event from the sky seen on earth?  Heir struck from on high?
The Prince of this world gets struck down?  Marvelous deed done?  
Who would argue with that?  Now look what happens ...

Great - human - murder.  Deaths spectacular.  
A sizeable number of people who had a downfall with Satan will die?  
And what about him?  According to Scripture he will be wounded, not killed.
As in - the proud one escaped.


The same proud one in the previous quatrain who was once humblr before God.


Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on July 29, 2018, 06:22:37 AM
Now, here's three quatrains in a row which, in my opinion, expresses the same thing.
The first two have been analyzed


The day that she will be hailed as Queen.
The day after the benediction and prayer.
The reckoning is right and valid.
Once humble, never was one so proud.


Fire, color of gold from the sky seen on earth.
Heir struck from on high, marvelous deed done.
Great human murder, the nephew of the great one taken.
Deaths spectacular, the proud one escaped.

Now the third C1 Q91

At sunrise one will see a great fire
Noise and light extending towards Aquilon
Within the circle death and one will hear cries.
Through steel, fire, famine, death awaiting them.

Remember the new city quatrain where there was fire from the center of the earth?
Shaking the earth?  Satan rising?

Well, look at the above verse.

Fire, noise and light extending towards Aquilon?  Aquilon means ... north.
Canada?  Quebec City in Canada?
Within the circle?  People within the circle?  Those with Satan?  Those who will have a downfall with Satan?
One will hear cries?  Death awaiting them?




Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on July 30, 2018, 08:04:16 PM
Here again,  two quatrains, side by side,  which seems to be making the same prediction
but in more detail.  The first has been presented before and assessed.

C1 Q55

In a land with a climate opposite of Babylon
There will be a great shedding of blood.
Heaven will seem unjust both on land, sea and in the air.
Sects, famine, kingdoms, plagues, confusion.

C9 Q96

The rose in the middle of the world scene.
For new deeds public sheddding of blood.
To speak the truth they will remain with closed mouths.
Then at the time of need the awaited one will come late.

Gees, in the first quatrain, Heaven will - seem - unjust.  The shedding of blood.
The event making news all over the world.  

In the second, the Rose, a femine figure, Mother Mary, in the middle of the world scene.
The shedding of blood for new deeds as in, the dawning of a New Age.
All major religionns will be dumbfounded.  And Jesus will not be coming now as many people expect,
... but later.  

Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 01, 2018, 02:46:40 PM
And, speaking of Canada and in particular, Quebec City
Check out the following.

C9 Q97

The forces of the sea will be divided in three parts.
The second will run out of supplies
In despair looking for the Elysian Fields.
The first ones to enter the breach will obtain the victory.

The forces of the sea will be divided into three parts.
Canada has three oceans on its borders.  The Atlantic, Pacific and the Arctic.

The second one will run out of supplies
in despair looking for the Elysian Fields.

France had two failed attempts to colonize Canada before it was achieved
by Samuel Champlain on the third attempt.
The second was attempted by de la Roche de Mesgouez, Troilus in 1598 or 99.  Check it out
He left some of his crew on Sable Island with supplies while he went on looking for a better place for a settlement
and they ran out.  While he was looking for that better spot a hurricane hit and it drove his ship halfway back to France.
So, since he was halfway back he went all the way back to France.
(Believe me, I can't make this stuff up.)  It even gets worse.  When the Marquis de la Roche got back to France,
he did keep sending supplies but that eventually stopped in 1602.  So, the long and the short of it   they did run out of supplies.

looking for the Elysian field.

Elysium or the Isles of the blessed was the nice section of Hades and it was located in the western portion.
And of course, a lot of Europeans  during the 1500's were indeed heading west to achieve their own sense
of a lucrative paradise, if you will.

Elysium, by the way, if translated from the Greek to English means struck by lightning.
And, the last line.

The first ones to enter the breach will achieve the victory.

It was Champlain who founded Quebec City and if you read his account there was a portion
of the banks of the Saint Lawrence river which was ideal to climb upwards to establish a settlement.  
Breach could mean an opening or gap.

Last but not least, consider the following as it concerns this quatrain.
We have struck by lightning ... we have struck by lightning in the Heavenly area of Hades ... we have a victory ...  
we have an entity from the lower portion of Hades ... we have the founding of Quebec City ... we have Jesus telling us
in the New Testament He saw Satan falling like lightning and ... we have my theory that the Lady clothed with the sun will
be striking. Satan in the back of the head in the skies above Quebec City and ... he will have a downfall and when he does ...
it will appear like lightning striking the earth.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 01, 2018, 07:35:30 PM
Now, again, two quatrains, side by side, the first has just been analyzed.

C9 Q97

The forces of the sea will be divided in three parts
The second will run out of supplies
In despair looking for the Elysian Field
The first ones to enter the breach will obtain the victory.


Now look more on Quebec City.

C1 Q77

A promontory stands between two seas.
A man will die later from the bit of a horse.
Neptune unfurls a black sail for his man.
The fleet near Gibraltar and Rocheval.

A promontory

The most decisive battle which ever took place in Canada happened on Sept 13, 1759.
This happened when the British defeated the French to gain dominion for the country
of Canada and it concerned, Quebec City.  This battle took place on the Heights of Abraham
but years later the Canadian government changed it to, The Plains of Abraham, because it sounded more Biblical.
Anyway ...


between two seas.


On the last page, you will note that I stated that Canada had three oceans on its boundaries.
However   since it was quite an accomplishment in 1867 to have an entire country stretching
from the Atlantic to the Pacific and the Arctic was a no man's land the official motto was and still is
(taken from the Bible)  - from sea to sea.  So -

A promontory between two seas - could refer to an event on that promontory and in a country
given the motto, could be in Canada.  Hence the battle for Quebec City.

A man will die later by the bit of a horse.

General Montcalm led the French forces and he was shot while on horseback during the battle.
He managed to get back to Quebec City and he died the next morning from his injures.  I researched
the peculiar word - bit - as written in French and one translation could indeed mean - wound or wounded.
So that passage fits in regards to General Montcalm.  He was wounded on horse back and he did die later.

Neptune unfurls a black sail for his man.

General Wolfe (who became General after the battle) did die on the field and the ship which did bring his body
to England to be buried did indeed unfurl a black sail for England's man.  Just in case your interested the HMS Neptune
was indeed, the flagship for the entire fleet but the ship that did bring his body to England was not. That ship was the HMS Royal William.  
Again, with a black sail.  So look at the line again.

Neptune unfurls a black sail for his man.  Neptune - God of the seas  -  England.  The English navy?  
The most powerful navy in the world at the time?  Marking the future death of their commander or man
and/or The Age of  Aquarius, given the water imagery, will come in with deaths?  Hence the black sail. 
As I've maintaining all along.  Last line.

The fleet near Gibraltar and Rocheval.


At first I couldn't understand how a rocky island off the coast of Europe could connect with Quebec City
so, for the Heck of it, I punched in Gibraltar and Quebec City in the computer and Well, I guess one of Quebec City's tagline, if you will,
in the old days was, The Gibraltar of North America.  So how could, Rocheval, fit?    Well, do you remember the two failed
attempts to colonize Canada  .. Well, the one I mentioned had de la Roche, in his name and the other was named, Roberval
I suppose if you put both names together one could get, Rocheval.  Correct?  Canada?  Quebec City?    




Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 02, 2018, 07:29:40 PM
I've already analyzed two quatrains regarding the new city

These were


At forty five degrees the sky will burn
Fire to approach the great new city.
A great scattered flame will leap up
When the world will demand verification from the Normans.

Earth shaking fire from the center of the earth
Will cause the towers near the New City to shake
Two great rocks for a long time will make war.
And then Arethusa will color a new river red.

You know what my conjectures were ...


Now look at the aftermath

C10 Q99

Garden of the world near the new city.
In the path of hollow mountains.
It will be seized and plunged into the vat
Drinking by force the waters poisoned with sulfer.

Couldn't the garden of the world like the Garden of Eden be a new beginning
for mankind as it originated over the skies of Quebec City?  The New City?

Couldn't ... in the path of hollow mountains be ... hollowed mountains ... like a mined out area
in the Canadian Shield with it's many mines some no longer operational.  And many now defunct mines have lagoons
still filled with poisoous chemicals.  After all ... where would - It - an unclean spirit end up before before he samk from whence he came
... but the most unclean spot in the area?  Dead waters as opposed to living waters, I guess and oh, yes ...What a smell of sulfur
does come to mind.
.



Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 03, 2018, 11:39:02 AM
And, speaking of Satan going back from whence he came and his human buddies
who will soon join him. Take a gander at these two quatrains which will be analyzed one at a time.

C2 Q91

The great star will burn for seven days.
The cloud will cause two suns to appear.
The big mastiff will howl all night.
When the great pontiff will change country.

Let's start with the last line since it may give us a historical time frame.

When the great pontiff will change country.

For over four hundred years no one who was born outside of Italy
was elected Pope.  This trend was broken when John Paul the II became the Pontiff.
He was born in Poland and ever since it has been the same way.  Pope Benedict was from Germany
and the current Pope, Francis came from Argentina.  So if this event I'm predicting does take place during the reign
of, Francis, then the line would hold true.  Now let's go in order from there.

The great star will burn for seven days.

This could be a Heavenly event or sign just before the main event, if you will.

The cloud will cause two suns to appear.

Well, if it's a Heavenly cloud around the sun and Mother Mary is to be the Lady clothed
with the sun, then it would appear like there were two suns in the sky.  Next line.

The big mastiff will howl all night.

Of course this big mastiff could indeed be a Hellhound, correct?  In fact, it could be Satan's
favorite Hellhound.   So why is Pookie so upset that he's howling all night?  
Because Daddy got his head kicked in That's why.

Next quatrain.

C10 Q99

The end of wolf, lion ox and ass.
Timid deer they will be with mastiffs.
No longer will the sweet manna fall upon them.
More vigilance and watch for the mastiffs.


The end of wolf, lion, ox and ass.
Timid deer they will be with mastiffs.

Notice anything?  The wolf and lion are known for their aggressive natures
and the ox and ass are led.  Either way, whether they freely decided to be aggressive or freely decided to follow,
it will be the end of all of them.  So where will they end up.  Look at the next line.

No longer will the sweet manna fall upon them.

Well, if manna fell from Heaven and it ended up on earth and it can't fall towards them,
then guess where they are?  That's right.  With Pookie and company.  Last line.

More vigilance and watch for the mastiffs.


Gees, if I didn't know any better I would guess, Nostradamus was giving mankind a warning.
What do you think?  Did you do what they did or are you now ... doing what they did?   If so,
what makes you think your fate won't be the same?  I told you the Age of Aquarius will come with a warning.  
  

Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 05, 2018, 07:01:32 AM
And, back to the Rose in the middle of the world scene.  You know, Mother Mary, the Lady clothed with the sun,
Her encounter with Satan in the sky and if I'm right, in the sky above Quebec City.  Take a look but before you do,
a near miss for a Prophet who lived from 1503 to 1566, to me, would be a hit.  I'll explain.


C5 Q31

Through Attic land fountain of wisdom
At present the rose of the world.
The bridge ruined and (at) it's great pre-eminence
Will be subjected, a wreck amidst the waves.

Looking at it in order ...

Through Attic land fountain of wisdom.
  
Near miss or hit?  When the anniversary of Quebec City took place for being the oldest city
in Canada, a gift was given from an individual in France which of all things was a fountain.
His name was de Tourny and the fountain is called, Fountaine de Tourny.  Check it out.

Near miss or hit?  In French the word Attic is written, Attique.  This translate to Attica which
refers to the region of Greece where Athens is located.  Athens, by the way, was named for Athena,
the Greek - Goddess - of wisdom.  So?  Well, there does happen to be a lake in the province of Quebec which is called,
Lac Attic which I assume in French would sound exactly like Lac Attique.  Again ... near miss or hit for a prophet who lived
in the 1500's.  Near miss or hit, as it connects with a Goddess to connect to, Mother Mary?

At present the rose of the world.

Already explained.

The bridge ruined and (at) its great pre-eminece
Will be subjected, a wreck amidst the waves.

So, how does a disaster about a fallen bridge connect with Quebec City?
Well, one did and didn't.  Check out the 1907 disaster of the Quebec Bridge and how it was
to connect with Quebec City but didn't ... because there was a flaw in the blueprints or design, right from the beginning.
Could this remind you of an entity of some sort, who was flawed right from the beginning?  Who may end up in a vat
and be forced to drink water poisoned by sulfer?  Unclean as he is?  And, oh yes - subjected.  The disaster of the Quebec Bridge
is a subject taught in every University Engineering class (worth it's salt) about how designs - if flawed - from the beginning
may result in the loss of life.

Next quatrain.

C2 Q97

Roman Pontiff beware of approaching
The city where two rivers flow through
Near there your blood will come to spurt
You and yours when the rose will flourish.

This quatrain is pretty straight forward.  The only reason I brought it up
was the historical hint which Nostradamus gives us.  Here he is saying
after ... the rose will flourish ... then ...the event is to take place.

So, what event regarding a Rose in the middle of the world scene or at present in the world
could take place first?

I guess there will be more than one warning given, this one, for the Pope himself  
I'd be checking your future travel plans if I were you...


By the way, just found out something else.  Athena was a virgin.  Kind of fitting, don't you think?
She was also good in a battle too.
 
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 06, 2018, 03:36:08 PM
Now, let's get back to the mastiffs for a second.  Figuratively speaking, of course.

Please note I will be presenting the first two quatrains, which I've already analyzed and then another one.

C2 Q41

The great star will burn for seven days.
The cloud will cause two suns to appear.
The big mastiff will howl all night.
When the great pontiff will change country.

I stated that the historical hint was in the last line how a person
who wasn't born in Italy would be Pope and that the Pookie line was
indeed referring to Hell, itself.

C10 Q99

The end of wolf, lion, ox and ass.
Timid deer they will be with the mastiffs.
No longer will the sweet manna from Heaven fall upon them.
More vigilance and watch for the mastiffs..

This quatrain added details.  That a group of people - them - would be
Hell bound to be greeted by the Hell hounds and there will be a warning given to the rest of us,
still living.  Now, the next quatrain.

C10 Q59

Within Lyons twenty five of one mind
Five citizens, Germans, Bressans, Latins
Under a noble one they will lead a long train
and discovered by the barks of the mastiffs.

So, what's this?  Here Nostradamus is not giving a geographical hint but he's actually - pointing to a specific place,  
which isn't, Quebec City or the New City.  It is Lyons in France.  This is one of the first indications that Nostradamus
was actually using Lyons as a stand in for Quebec City.  So let's look at it.

Within Lyons twenty five  of one mind.
Five citizens, Germans, Bressans, Latins.

I don't know what these lines are referring to.  I firmly believe that no one in Quebec City will be caught
up in this event but rather it will be the ground zero for the start of a New Age.  It could mean that twenty five statues of
Saints of one mind within Lyons and/or Quebec City may show the effects of an Act of God . but, again, I don't know.

Now look at the last two lines and the mastiffs.

Under a noble one they will lead a long train
And discovered by the barks of the mastiffs.  

A long train of people is indeed, a long train of people, so a sizable number
of people will be taking the elevator down.  As for a - noble - one or ones who will be
leading them down doesn't surprise me one bit.  You mean they weren't good people, after all?
Cop?

Anyway, I 'll show you in more detail down the road how Lyons was indeed a stand in for Quebec City.  
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 07, 2018, 06:48:09 PM
And, speaking of stand-ins.  No,... not Lyons as a stand-in for Quebec City right now
but another aspect of my theory.  I did mention that Nostradamus does seem to be predicting,
The Lady clothed with the sun and how She'll have an encounter with Satan in the sky?  Correct?

C4  Q28

When Venus will be covered by the sun.
Under the spendor a hidden form.
Mercury will have exposed them to the fire.
Through war like noises it will be insulated.

Is it that hard to see Nostradamus was using the Goddess, Venus, as a stand-in for Mother Mary
clothed with the sun?

Is it that hard to see the hidden one in the splendor is Satan?

Mercury will have exposed them to the fire.

Mercury, by the way, is the ruling planet for the constellation, Virgo,
and ... Mercury or Hermes to the Greeks was also the God of boundries
and what does he do to them ... the ones who may have strayed beyond the boundries?
Aren't - they - exposed to the fire?  The mastiffs awaiting - them.

Through war like noises it will be insulated.

Well, whatever - it - is - it seems to be better off than, them.


C5  Q 72

For the pleasure if the voluptuos edict
One shall mix poison with the faith.

Yes, this two lines are vague but hopefully I will get back to them
and give my interpretation but for now ...

Venus shall be on a course so virtuous
As to becloud the whole quality of the sun.

Is it that hard to see that Nostradamus was using the Goddess, Venus as a stand-in
for the Lady clothed with the sun?

Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 09, 2018, 11:46:53 AM
Now, for the possibility that Lyons could have been a stand-in for Quebec City.
Given their similarities.

C8 Q91

Entered among the field of the Rhone (dwellers)
Where those of the cross are almost united.
The two lands meet in Pisces
And a great number punished by the flood.

Entered among the field of the Rhone (dwellers)

As Quebec City is located near the St. Lawrence River so is,
Lyons, located by the Rhone.

Where those of the cross are almost united.

Both cities have a high concentration of Catholics.
Those of the cross.

The two lands meeting in Pisces.

Pisces is not omly a constellation, it is also the Age we're in now.
Soon to end when the Age of Aquarius starts.
The two lands could mean France and Canada will have some kind of connection
with the Age of Pisces ending and Aquarius beginning.  Or if the word - land -as it appears
in French as - brasselez - which means  - lighted forms - then that could fit as well.  
The lighted forms being Mother Mary and Satan.  Either way or both ways, it could fit.

And a great number punished by the flood.

Again, with the water imagery.  Again, the Age of Aquarius beginning with the said event.  
Again with the punishment.  Do you think that when Satan has his downfall that a sizeable number
of people will have a downfall as well?

C 3  Q 46

The sky (of Plancus city) forebodes to us.
Through clear signs and fixed stars.
That the time of sudden change is approaching.
Neither for its good, nor for its evil.

Lucius Munatius Plancus was a commander for Julius Caesar as he was conquering, Gaul.
Modern day, France.  He later became prominent and served in the government of Rome
and Emperor Augustus commissioned him to establish a new city in France.  That city was to become, Lyons.

Now read the above quatrain with the information, I just gave you.

Something is going to take place in the sky over a city.  A new city.
Something which will be a warning for all of - US.
A sudden change comes with this event like the changing of Ages?
And?  Quebec City will be the ground zero for this event.
As in - it did not take place for Quebec City's good, nor for its evil.

Gees ... could Nostradamus be predicting a New Age as instigated by God.

C2  Q46

After great trouble for humanity a greater one is perpared.
The Great Mover renews the ages.
Rain, blood, milk, famine, steel and plague.
In the heavens fire seen, a long running spark.

Yeah, going down.


Yippie kie yay, mother ...

I'll let you fill in the rest.
 


Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: CMPG on August 10, 2018, 08:11:02 AM
The King of Terror (of 1999) is...

Igor Strelkov. Igor's biography fits the Quatrain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Igor_Strelkov_(officer)

Mabus is Mohan Madhukar Bhagwat. Mohan's biography and India's communal riots fits the Quatrain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohan_Bhagwat

The 3rd AntiChrist is from Iran (Persia) as was described in a letter given to the French King during his (Nostradamus') time or era.

Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 10, 2018, 12:05:10 PM
C 2 Q 46

After great trouble for hunanity a greater one is prepared.
The Gereat Mover renews the ages.
Rain, blood, milk, famine, steel and plague.
In the heavens fire seen, a long running spark.

Yeah, going down.

As you can plainly see, Nostradamus clearly states that God - The Great Mover - will renew the Ages
which reminds me of a Jewish fable concerning the Garden of Eden.  The beginning.

In that fable, after Eve, (blame the woman) and Adam both ate the forbidden fruit
one of the consequences for disobeying God would be that they would die.  In other words,
they had immortality and now they didn't.  So, Eve, became jealous of all the animals in Eden
because they still maintained their immortality so she tricked them all to eat the forbidden fruit so they
would have the same fate as the humans.  All but one.  

It seems a bird wouldn't fall for the trap and this bird became the, Jewish, Phoenix.  Now, in order to reward
that bird, God prounounced (since the world was now corruptable)  it would indeed age like all the creatures
in the world, but do so very, very, very slowly and at the end of five hundred years or a thousand (I read both numbers)
when it was just about to die, it had to fly to a walled city.  Once there, when it was just about to die ... it was renewed.
And so on and so on ...

Now, since Eden was the beginning as instigated by God, then one would imagine, if God was going to instigate
a new beginning for mankind, then somehow, some way, there should be a lady involved, somehow, some way, there
should be an evil entity involved as there was in Eden and somehow, some way, there has to be a walled city involved.

Mother Mary?  Satan?  In the skies above, Quebec City which, by the way ... was a walled city.

What do you think?    




Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 10, 2018, 07:44:47 PM
Here again

C 2 Q 55

In a land with a climate opposite of Babylon quatrain, we have

There will be a great shedding of blood.
Heaven will seem unjust on both land, sea and the air.

C9 Q96

In one of the Rose quatrains we have

For new deeds public shedding of blood

Now, look at this one  C4  Q49

Before the people blood will be shed.
Only from high Heaven will it come far.
But for a long time of one nothing will be heard.
The - spirit - of the lone one will come to bear witness against it.

Again, a public shedding of blood?
From High Heaven?

Down the road ... the spirit of the lone one, the proud one,
the spirit who escaped will be bearing witness against it.

Ever hear that exspression, Defeated but not destroyed?

Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: batman624 on August 11, 2018, 12:18:36 AM
C 2 Q 46

After great trouble for humanity a greater one is prepared.
The Great Mover renews the ages.
Rain, blood, milk, famine, steel and plague.
In the heavens fire seen, a long running spark.



"Great trouble" is World War II.

"A Greater one is prepared" is World War III.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 11, 2018, 08:00:30 AM
And, speaking of Jewish traditions and my theory

The Jews have a tradition that Satan must have a downfall a) before the Messiah comes and /or b)
the building of the Third Temple.  In other words, you can't have the Temple without the Messiah or the
Messiah without the Temple but- beforehand - either way, Satan must have that downfall.  And, speaking of the Messiah ...

The Jews have a tradition that He will not appear until mankind is very good or very evil.

So, if I'm right, Satan, will be having that downfall and a sizeable number of people will be
having a downfall with him.  A downfall which will include a Judgment day, not  for all of mankind
but a judgment day to be - witnessed - by all of mankind.  See this event world, which way are you going to go now?
You only have two choices, mankind.

And, speaking of the devil (sorry, no pun intended) you do know he has been described, in a figurative manner,
as the, Great Red Dragon, do you not?  Check this out.

C8 Q80

The blood of innocents, widow and virgin
So many evils committed by the means of the Great Red One.
Holy images placed over burning candles
Terrified by fear, none will be seen to move.

I stated right at the beginning that the Age of Aquarius will begin with the deaths of innocents and the wicked.
So, what these people measured out will be measured in.  If they aimed death at an innocent person or persons,
then, they themselves, will suffer the deaths of innocent people in there own house, if you will.

And how will the dead who are burying the dead reacting, because now they know where they're going
after they die?  Typical.  They'll be terrified by fear and praying their hearts out to God and His Saints
And?  Well read it yourselves.  And, speaking of the deaths of innocents again.

C8 Q87

A death conspired will come into full effect.
The charges given and the voyage of death.
Elected, created, received, defeated by its followers.
In remorse the blood of innocents will be in front of them.

By the way, I chose that expression about the dead burying the dead, on purpose.

It's from a passage in the New Testament regarding Jesus.  Of course, no Christian scholar who interpreted
that passage ever thought it was a prophecy, which I think it was.  Check it out.


Forgot to mention this, you do know how these people will be distinguashable amongst the rest of mankind
don't you?  Marked.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 11, 2018, 03:23:19 PM
And, getting back to Canada again

C4 Q96

The elder sister of the British Isles
Will be born fifteen years before her brother
Because of her promise procuring verification
She will succeed to the Kingdom of the Balance.

Do you remember when I stated that in 2008 Canada celebrated the anniversary
of the founding of Quebec City as being the oldest city in Canada?  Well, before that happened
the people of Saint John's, Newfoundland contested that title, claiming their city was indeed the oldest.
Their argument?  Well, it seems a Sir Humphrey Gilbert in 1583 was given title from Queen Elisabeth
to establish a settlement there.  He died that same year but several years later, there were indeed, fishing camps
established which were used on a seasonal basis.  The Minister of Culture had to choose and he rightly
determined that outhouses used on a yearly basis carried more weight than ones used on a seasonal basis
so, Quebec City, was given the honor.  So, why am I bringing this .... up?

Well, look at the quatrain again.  In the first two lines Nostradamus is not talking about the French establishing a foothold
in North America but rather the British.  And when did the British establish their first permanent settlement?  That was in
Jamestown, Virginia, in 1607 so indeed, the elder sister born fifteen years before (around 1592) could have  been, Saint John's.  
The key word being - born.   Now, let's look at the verse.

The elder sister of the British Isles
Will be born fifteen years before her brother.

Notice anything? Canada is represented by the female figure.  Why?

Because of her promise procuring verification.

Because of - her - the female figure - the Rose - and - Her promise - procuring - what?  
Causing - bringing about - what?  Verification.  
Ever see that word before, like in the first quatrain I presented?  
When the world will want or demand - verification - from the Normans.
Fron a northern country with a province which speaks French?

She will succeed to the Kingdom of the Balance.

By the way, you do know the Balance could indeed be, the symbol for constellation, Libra
or the scales of justice.  Or, both - for that matter and somehow - She - will be involved.
Like maybe, in the sky?  Tell us Canada did the event which took place in your country really
come from God?
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 12, 2018, 09:50:17 AM
And, back to the timing and location again ...

C2  Q 41

The great star will burn foe seven days.
The cloud will cause two suns to appear.
The big mastiff will howl all night.
When the great pontiff has changed country.

Do you remember when I stated that the historical hint here was there would be
a Pope who was not born in Italy?  In other words, that tradition for over 400 years had
to be broken before the event I've been predicting could take place.  Well, take a gander.

C 2 Q 87

Afterwards there shall come from the outermost countries
A German Prince on the golden throne
The servitude and waters met
The lady serves, her time no longer adored.

Yes,  Pope Benedict XVI after Pope John Paul Ii, did come from Germany
which, by the way, was NOT an outermost country to Nostradamus since he lived
in France.  Both Germany and France, being in Europe, were very close to each other.

So, let's look at the verse again with nothing being changed except the sequence
of the first two lines.

A German Prince on the golden throne.
(And) Afterwards from the outermost countries.
The servitude and waters met.
The lady serves, her time no longer adored.

AFTER - Pope Benedict XVI ended his reign as Pope.  
THEN - there will be an event from one of the outermost countries.
AND THAT EVENT BEING?

You tell me,  It sounds like a lady has to be involved who somehow connects with waters
in an outermost country and she serves.  And what's that about her time no longer being adored?
Doesn't that mean she must have a religious nature to her?  So, if Nostradamus was referring to the Papacy
not respecting her time . Well, that's where the Third Secret of Fatima comes in and how the Vatican's
interpretation of it was wrong.  At least, in my opinion.  Check this out from then Cardinal, Joseph Ratzinger,
who did become the, Pope Benedict XVI, in question.



       A careful reading of the text of the so called Third Secret of Fatima  . will probably prove
disappointing or surprising after all the speculation it has stirred.  No great mystery is revealed,
nor the future unveiled.

Sayeth you.






 

  
 
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 12, 2018, 09:12:16 PM
And getting back to the early history of Canada again

Here's two quatrains which I already analyzed.

C9 Q97

The forces of the sea will be divided in three parts.
The second will run out of supplies
In despair looking for the Elysian Fields.
The first one to enter the breach will obtain the victory.

C1 Q77

A promontory stands between two seas.
A man will die later from the bit of a horse.
Neptune unfurls a black sail for his man.
The fleet near Gibraltar and Rocheval.  

Okay, I analyzed them, now see if this one doesn't line up with the first
in regards to the Marquis de la Roche and his ill fated attempt to establish a settlement in Canada.  
You know.  The second will run out of supplies in despair looking for the Elysian Fields.

C2 Q97

Among several transported to the isles
One to be born with two teeth in his mouth.
They will die of famine, the trees stripped.
For them a new King issues a new edict.

Among several transported ...
Since many of the crew were convicts, tramps and beggars with very little choice,
I guess - transported - is a good word to use.

to the isles.
They were looking westward for the Elysian Fields, correct?  
And, another name for that was indeed, The Isles of the Blessed.
And, when then ended up on Sable - Island - they ran out of supplies and the consequences being

They will die of famine

And where were they again?  Sable Island.  An island, if you can believe it, without trees.

the trees stripped.

For them a new King issues a new edict.

No, they didn't all die.  From what I gather, 11 out of the 70 some odd men were rescued
and brought back to France and if I'm not mistaken were indeed brought before a new king.
So?

So I'm predicting that a New Age will begin in the very country where this took place
with Satan having a downfall and a sizeable number of people will have a downfall with him.
And they (them) will be facing God in front of the world and Nostradamus just happens to mention
the word - new - twice - and ?  Well, how blessed were those people anyway?

By the way, the word - edict - new or otherwise, is defined as,  
A pronouncement with the force of the law or an authority behind it.

I can see that.  Sorry.




  
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 14, 2018, 01:59:29 PM
And, speaking of a particular, Vulcan, other than, Spock, let's look at the Roman god who bears the same name.
For those of you who don't know, he was the god of fire and given his expertise and/or occupation
was creating things out of metal, he spent a great deal of his time underground.  Again working with fire
and smelting and fashioning metal to his heart's desire.  (If he could build me a new car, it would be greatly appreciated.)
Anyway, take a look at these two quatrains which I will show back to back.

C4 Q30

The Sun hidden, eclipsed by Mercury
Will be placed only second in the sky.
Of Vulcan Hermes will be made into food.
The sun will seen pure, glowing red and golden.

C9 Q74

In the city of - Fertsod - (quotation marks), homicide.
Deed and Deed many oxen plowing, no sacrifice.
Return again to the honors of Artemis
And to Vulcan bodies dead ones to bury.

First quatrain - The sun will be hidden, eclipsed by Mercury will be placed only second
in the sky.  

Mercury, the planet, cannot eclipse the sun by any means especially from where we are located
but, if he is talking of Virgo and its ruling planet being, Mercury, then Mother Mary, the Virgin Mary,
if She becomes the Lady in the sun then it would appear, from our perspective,, that She
would eclipse the sun and make it second to Her brightness.

Of Vulcan, Hermes will be made into food.

Well, if Hermes is indeed the messenger of the gods, then maybe, if the message
is about Vulcan, the god of fire, or of, Vulcan - Satan - then maybe we should be incorporating
that message into every sense of our being.  Food for thought, mankind?

The sun will be seen pure, glowing red and golden.

After the event that's exactly how the Sun should look
Again, after the Lady clothed with the sun boots Satan in the back of the head
and he falls like how Jesus said it  like lightning.

Second quatrain  In the city of Fertsod, homicide.

You know I checked everything I could to get a meaning out of Fertsod.
Like looking at the Latin and coming up with, iron - ground, and nothing worked.
What's ironic about it is, the French translation is, Fertod and there really is a city of Fertod
in Hungary.  And?  Well, you're not going to believe this but in 1950 two cities in Hungary merged
to become one city - Fertod.  Check it out.  What's ironic about that is, I've always maintained that
Lyons and Quebec City should be coupled together.  Anyway ...

Deed and Deed many oxen plowing, no sacrifice.

First of all this reminded me of that quatrain which Nostradamus put forth
about - the marvelous deed done - and how I used it to bolster my theory.
But what's he mean about many oxen ploughing, no sacrifice.
Well, what I can garner from that is, when sacrifice were made it was either to thank God
for doing something good or hoping something bad wouldn't happen.  So, if it was no sacrifice
then, what is it?  Maybe a judgment day will take place which will not be for all of mankind
but rather to be witnessed by all of mankind?  

Return again to the honors of Artemis.

Well, if Nostradamus used Venus as a stand in for Mother Mary,
couldn't he be using Artemis this time?  The virgin, moon goddess?
The goddess of the hunt?

And to Vulcan bodies dead ones to bury.

You know, if I didn't know better, it seems like people will be going to Vulcan.
Could he have meant, Satan - as a stand in?  You know, underground, fire?  
And did you see the ending?  Are the bodies, the actual dead ones to be buried
or is he saying, the  bodies - the dead -- will be burying the dead?  
Gees, I think Jesus said something about that.  



BTW - just to clarify something in the verse where it says, Deed and Deed.
This is what I make of it.

The first deed is the marvelous deed when Mother Mary boots Satan in the back of the head
above the skies of Quebec City.  The second deed She will do, is incorporate the innocents with Her
when She returns to Heaven.  This will leave one group, the group that will be marked.
And, what will happen to them?  Well, that's when the world will be demanding verification from the Normans
i.e. the Canadian Government.  They will be investigating all this, right in front of the world.
The ones marked will be called to testify which makes this quatrain even more meaningful.

C1 Q3

When the litters are overturned by the whirlwind
And faces will be covered by cloaks.
The new state will be troubled by its people.
The reds and whites will judge in contrary ways

or another version of the last line.

The reds and whites will rule wrongly.

And?

Well, first of all, Canada has a flag with a single leaf.  A maple leaf to be exact
and litters, could indeed be, dead leaves.  So when the litters are overturned by the whirlwind.
it could not only mean that it's taking place in Canada as symbolized by the leaf but also some citizens were affected
by the said, whirlwind.  And notice the line - And faces will be covered by cloaks.  Do you think Nostradamus
could see news cameras in the future?  So, where are the soon to be dead ones going, hiding their faces?  

Well, the Canadian government will be doing an investigation as in - the world will want verification from the Normans.  
Something like the Warren Report when it came to Kennedy.  (Hopefully, this one will be honest)
This would explains the third line - The new state will be troubled by its people.   So, anyway you look at it, it should
be a sizeable number of people who could have caused this concern.

And the last line in both variations  Then the reds and whites will judge in contrary ways or wrongly
.
That's the government for you - they will be thinking that something has to be ruled upon when their main job is to document
and only document.  By the way - Canada has only two colors on its flag - red and white.  Just thought I'd mention it.

So, basically what will be happening is the dead who had buried the dead, will be testifying before the Canadian government.
A Blue Ribbon Commission, of some sort. before the world.  Their testimonies will be documented and afterwards . in a single night.

Read the last quatrain again, if I confused you.  I think it's pretty straight forward.  


In a more chronological order

You'll have a number of people whose lives will be overturned
by a supernatural event.

It will be the concern of the world and Canada will be troubled
by these people.  What happened there?  Tell us.

They will be called to testify with the world watching, news cameras and all
and they will be trying to hide their faces.
  
They will appear before a Commission as organized by the Canadian government.
The reds and whites.

And afterwards?  Well for the first group . all in one night.  Maybe all in the same
hour or two.  There will be two other groups and I'll get to that later.

  








 

  


  
  
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 16, 2018, 11:41:51 AM
Now I'm going to continue with the - litters - theme, if you will
but the quatrain I'll be showing is in between two that I've already analyzed.
Also, please keep this line as a lead in to what's about to come and my theory for that matter.

Earth shaking fire from the center of the earth will cause the towers near the new city to shake.

First quatrain - C2 Q91

At sunrise one will see a great fire
Noise and light extending to Aquilon.
Within the circle death and one will here cries.
Through steel, fire, famine, death awaiting them.

Second quatrain - C2 Q70  

The dart in the sky will make its extension.
Deaths speaking, great execution.
The stone in the tree, the proud nation restored.
Noise, human monster, wild purge expiation.


The dart in the sky will make its extension.

Now, look at the first two lines in the first verse.
At sunrise a great fire seen noise and light extending -
towards Aquillon which, I stated before, meant north or northwards.
See the similarities?  Especially as it concerns the word extending and extension?
Isn't Nostradamus telling us about the same event.  The dart in the sky going up,
the long running - Yippie kie yay - spark, going down.

Deaths speaking, great execution.

Now, look back, Within the circle death and one will hear cries.
Same event?

The stone in the tree, the proud nation restored.
In two parts.

The stone in the tree .

A stone near a tree or in a tree will have no effect on the tree.
However if a stone is projected towards the tree and it is large enough and going fast enough
then, at the very least, it would shake the tree.  See where I'm going with this?  An event from the sky,
symbolically speaking, will impact the tree and leaves will fall which will become litters.  Or, dead leaves.
In other words, what happens is not an event when nature had run its course and leaves fell accordingly.
The tree was impacted which cause the litter to appear.  Something outside of a natural event.

the proud nation restored.

You know, this made no sense to me as far as the restored part goes, so I checked the French translation.
Restored, as it was put was - rendue - and there is no such word unless it is used in a phrase.
Rendu without the letter - e - means here or there.

Compte rendue means - account, report, review and, Decision rendue, means - a ruling or decision made.

Well, I know this is neither, here or there, but if I had to accept one translation and if Canada was indeed the nation
in question, then I would want to believe that Canada, the proud nation, the reds and whites will be doing an account
or report, or review and/or make a ruling or a decision on something the whole world may want to know about.

Noise, human monster, wild purge expiation.

More details of the event which if I'm right will be happening in the near future.  Pretty nasty, isn't it?  

BTW  - I'm sure you noticed how Nostradamus ended that quatrain with - expiation - defined as,
the act of making atonement or the means which atonement is made.  This is exactly like the mastiffs quatrains
I presented on the last page, the last comment made in that regard was - Watch for the mastiffs.  This was not directed
for those caught up in the event but rather for those outside of it.  The warning, if you will.  

Third quatrain - C1 Q3

When the litters are overturned by the whirlwind
And faces will be covered by cloaks
The new state will be troubled by its people.
Then the reds and whites will judge in contrary ways.

Already analyzed.

BTW, I forgot to mention this.  Do you remember the last line in one of the quatrains above
and how it begins with - Noise - as in - Noise, human monster, wild purge expiation.  
Well, there was a reason for that, if I'm right.  A few years back I saw an Elder of a Native American tribe  - the Hopi (?) -
who stated that the next Age will begin with a worldwide sound.  I agree with him.  That noise will be when
Mother Mary boots Satan's a$$ I mean boots Satan in the back of the head.  
 
 
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 16, 2018, 05:57:42 PM
And, speaking of monsters.  No, not the human kind as mentioned in the segment before,
but the biggest Dork of them all.  Ugly as he is.

C 10 Q 98

For the merry maid the bright splendor will shine no longer.
For long she will be without salt.
With merchants, bullies, wolves odious
All confusion universal monster.

C 3  Q 34

When the eclipse of the sun will then be.
In broad daylight the monster will be seen.
Quite otherwise will one interpret it.
High price unguarded, none will have foreseen it.

Let's go in order.

For the merry maid the bright splendor will shine no longer.
For long she will be without salt.

Okay, consider this.  The topic being, Greek or Roman mythology for now.  I've already shown that,
Nostradamus established at the very least, a connection with Athena in the Attic quatrain.
A connection with the water nymph, Arethusa, with the event to come.  A connection with Venus
and Artemis and now Well, he is speaking of the goddess, Astrea, her name meaning, Star Maiden,
and she is primarily known for two things.  She was the goddess of justice and she was the last immortal
to give up on mankind when people were becoming predominantly brutal and wicked during the Iron Age.  
So she left the world to become the constellation Virgo and because of her love of justice she holds
the Scales of Libra the constellation next to her, in her hand.  So?  

    Well, there was nothing merry or joyous about her.  In fact, she was disgusted with mankind and that's the only problem
I have with this quatrain.  Did Nostradamus know that when this quatrain appeared in English, the French word for joyous
would be translated as merry, a play on Mary the Maiden of God?  Will Astrea  become merry to see the deed take place
by Mother Mary which will be right and valid?   The act of justice in spades which is about to take place here on earth?
I don't know.  But the two lines as written do suggest.  Astrea, left and for a long time she was without salt (worth)
and then, after that long time, Mother Mary and the event I'm predicting will take place and symbolically be giving Astrea  her worth - again.
Moving on last two lines.

With merchants, bullies, wolves odious.
All confusion universal monster.

And?  Well anyway you look at it this - it is the worst monster there is and he will somehow connect
with a group of merchants, bullies and wolves odious.   Odious meaning - extremely unpleasant, repulsive.
And since the adjective is at the end, odious merchants, odious bullies, odious wolves.
Repulsive and unpleasant before God?  Fits?

Now let's look at the next quatrain.

After an eclipse of the sun?  Maybe the one in August 2017?

A monster will be seen in broad daylight.  
Not just any monster, mind you, the universal one?  Like maybe, the Great Red Dragon, himself?

Quite otherwise will one interpret it.

Well, if mankind doesn't know what's happening.  Can you blame them?  And?

High price unguarded, none will have foreseen it.

So now the main questions are these.  Who is unguarded and who will be paying that high price?   
Is this event for all of mankind or the odious merchants, the odious bullies and the odious wolves?  
I think it's the latter and the warning will be given.







 




 
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 17, 2018, 12:59:09 PM
A few more quatrains which do support me but it should be noted one would require a Professor
or expert on French Renaissance history and the other a small amount of tweeking. Let's go


C5 Q32

When all is good well abundant
In Sun and Moon your ruin approaches  It will come
From the sky as you rift through your exhausted fortune.
In the same state as the seventh rock.

Well, it's pretty straight forward.  An event from the sky which
will ruin some people and what hint do we have as to the where?
Do you remember the first two times when France tried to establish a permanent settlement
in Canada and how they failed.  Well, here are the ten dollar names of the leaders of those attempts.
Both noblemen.

Jean Francois de la Rocque suir de Roberval and , La Roche de Mesgouez Troillus -
Le Marquis de la Roche.  Well, rocque and roche translates to the same thing - rock -
and if you research this and it gives a different meaning for - rocque - just go to Wiktionary
and punch in the same word.  Rocque means or did mean - rock.  So, if either one of these
individuals was perhaps the seventh child born in their family a/o one, was the seventh one to hold
whatever royal title they had, then ... Well, maybe Nostradamus was speaking of Canada, after all?

Is there a History Professor in the house?

C6 Q81

Tears, cries and laments, howls terror
Heart inhuman, cruel black and chilly
Lake of Geneva, the Isles, of Genoa the notables,
Blood to pour, wheat famine, to none mercy.

First line -  The humans involved, the innocents and the wicked?  
Second line, Satan, himself?

Lake of Geneva, the Isles, of Genoa the notables.

What?  I was predicting Canada and Quebec City in the province of Quebec
for this event to take place.  What's Nostradamus doing?  Referring to Switzerland?
Referring to Genoa, Italy?
 
BTW - Lake Geneva was written as, Lac Leman, and ... there really is a, Lac Leman, in the
province of Quebec and the Isles?  Yes again, there really is a lake in the same said province which
is called, Lac des Isles.  So who are the notables from Genoa?  Well, they were Christopher Columbus
and John Cabot who, outside of the Vikings, were the first Europeans to the new world.
The latter, in case you didn't know, opened up Canada for the British.  You know, the British - Isles.
Maybe, another reason for using that particular word?

Blood to pour, wheat famine, to none mercy.

Well, the - blood to pour - has been mentioned before as well as - no mercy - for the wicked
So, what's this wheat famine.  Fro - faim?  Fro, was short for, froment - wheat - and faim - famine.
I wonder if he could have meant - fro fem - or - fro femme.   Meaning, Wheat - Lady?  As in Virgo,
the constellation, at least as far as the Egytians were concerned, whereby she was always depicted holding stalks
of wheat in her hand?  Just a thought.  Come to think of it, the Egyptian Virgo was chased by a monster in the sky,
if I'm not mistaken.

Anyway ...


C7 Q16

The deep entry made by the Great Queen
Will make the place powerful and inaccessable.
The army of the three lions will be defeated
Causing a thing hideous and terrible.


First two lines - The deep entry by the Great Queen will make the place powerful
and inaccessable.  Well, it's Mother Mary, yeah ... it could fit.  When the deed is done.
Either where Satan impacted the earth will remain inaccessible or where She stood afterwards.
See world?

The army of the three lions will be defeated.

Okay, I was assuming that France would have the banner of the three lions, since they were defeated
by the British for the dominion of Canada.  You know, September 13, 1759?  The Battle for Quebec City?
General Wolfe?  On the Heights or Plains of Abraham?  And?  It was the exact opposite?  WT ....?  
Of course, I researched the banner of the three lions as representing England and ... Well, oddly enough, when you go back
to the history of first lion, if you will, it brings you to ... Normandy.  Ever see that word before?  Or maybe the Normans will
be more familiar to you?

Causing a thing hideous and terrible.

Well, if mankind let's him rise again.  Yup ... that's what he'll be and ... please note without any restraints whatsoever.
It's like God saying to mankind, I asked you to believe in Me and my Son and you no do.  (Sorry, it's the Italian in me, given
the references to Columbus and Cabot)  I even proved to you that I exist and proved to you, He is my Son and it still made no
difference at all.  Fine.  You want Satan, you'll get Satan and - that's - when he'll rise to heights unaminginable and - that's -
when all those negative predictions in the, Book of Revelation, will kick in.  BTW - I don't know if anyone ever noticed this but,
the event of the Lady clothed with the Sun, if it is indeed coupled with the Catholic tradition of Mother Mary causing Satan to have
a downfall does happen ...  wouldn't that be, the only positive prophecy in Revelation?  Just asking.


    


Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 19, 2018, 11:45:58 AM
And, speaking of Lyons and Quebec City, and how they could be connected or how the former
was being used as a stand-in for the latter, please look at the following.

A while ago I presented a quatrain with the word - Lyons - plainly stated
and how a noble one or ones, would be leading a long train to the depths of Hell
as in ... discoverd by the mastiffs.  I also presented one regarding the City of Plancus.
You remember, something to do with an event in the sky of Plancus city - the changing of Ages -
how there will be a warning for all of - US - stemming from this event.  Well, here's two more quatrains
which I believe do support my conjectures.

C4 Q43

Arms will be heard clashing in the sky
The same year the devine one's enemies
They will want unjustly to discuss holy laws
Through lightning and war the complacent one will be put to death.

Okay, in this quatrain there is no hint of the where, but there is an event in the sky
which will cause  - the devine one's enemies - who are unjust -  and they unjustly want to discuss holy laws.
(Just out of curiosity, do you think it's possible these people are afraid of a judgment of some sort?)
It then goes on to say a complacent individual will be put to death  

First of all, the word - complacent - may be a mistranslation - the word used in French is either croyan or croyant.
Meaning - believer.   So a - believer - so called - if he is indeed unjust means he was - a believer - in name only
when it came to God and those holy laws.  I'll get back to the above quatrain in a second.  

C2 Q87

The old full beard under the severe statute
Made at Lyons over the Celtic eagle
The little great one perserveres too far.
Noise of arms in the sky, Ligurian sea red.

First of all, Lyons, is specifically mentioned and the - noise of arms in the sky - is almost
identical to - Arms clashing in the sky.  Anything else which would indicate, Lyons?  Yes.
The little great one ... is a very good way to describe - Guess who - Plancus.  

Lucius Plancus lived in a very volitille time in Roman histroy.  Born, 87 BC - Died, 15 BC.
He survived it all, living to be 72 which was far beyond the average life expectancy at the time.
Was he great?  Well he was instrumental in the Gallic Wars.  He founded Lyons.  He achieved
a great deal of wealth.  He became a Roman Sentator.  So, where was he little?  Well, Emporor Augustus
had two openings for the Censors in the Roman Empire which is likened to the, Chief Magistrates, of a country today.
One was, Amelius Paullus, who was incomptetant but did try to perform his duties and the other was, Plancus, who was
the exact opposite.  It seems the little cuss had a hard time ruling on the cases of individuals who had committed the
same crimes he did when he was young.  Of course, you don't mess with Augustus and what did he do?

He not only fired the both of them, he also cancelled the positons of the two Censors in Rome altogether.  Done?
Not quite.  At least on one ocassion if not more, Augustus when he was having a procession in Rome when he
was the main attraction, he had Plancus with a broom leading the parade, clearing the streets before him.  So does
the line, - The little great one perseveres too far - fit?  You know, the elderly, Roman Senator, Plancus, living long enough
to be humiliated?  Forced to be a clown in the parade?  I think it does.

Now, please go back and read both qutrains and see if I really have a case or not.
Oh, yeah.  The Ligurian sea red.  What in God's name could a sea off the coast of Italy have anything to do
with the Age of Aquarius beginning and coming in with blood?  Quebec City?  The prophecy in Revelation?
A judgment day to be witnessed by all of mankind?  I don't know .. but there is a statue of Jesus at the bottom
of the Ligurian Sea called, Christ of the Abyss, which could support me.  Check it out.    



 
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 21, 2018, 12:10:22 PM
And speaking of Lyons (Quebec City) and how the humans in the event before
the world will be categorized, please look at the following

Q6 Q51

People assembled to see a new spectacle
Princes and Kings amongst many bystanders
Pillars, walls to fall, but as by a miracle
The King saved and (but) thirty of the ones present.

As you can imagine, every time I saw the word - new - in a quatrain I would consider it,
since, as you know, part of my conjectures does include  the dawning of a New Age.
Well, the word - new - is there as in - a new spectacle.  So, where's Lyons in this?
Well, as I was checking out what other people thought of the same verse I came across a researcher
named, Peter Lemesuier.  His opinion, is that Nostradamus was basing his prediction on an actual
historic event which took place in the early 1300's when Pope Clement V was coronated at - Lyoms.
And - yes - it was a new spectacle in that it was the first coronation of that sort to take place
in Lyons and - yes - there were many people of royalty who attended and - yes - a wall did fall which
caused the deaths of some people including the Pope's own brother.  However, everything outside of that
did not match the historical account.

There were no pillars or walls falling, just a wall.  And there wasn't a King left with thrity survivors or a
King saving thirty people.  Now, I'll get back to this quatrain in a bit but please keep in mind the last line.  
The King saved and (but) thirty of the ones present.  Now, let's look at some people who will be - present  -
if you will, for the judmentt day to be witnessed by all of mankind.

Category I - When the great scattered flame will leap up towards, Quebec City, there will be five to nine people
claimed in the scattering, if you will.  These people will be the worst of the worst.  The most evil.  Satan will incorporate them first
in his attack of Mother Mary and there remains on this earth will be hideous.

Catagory II.  The marked as in - the long train - down.

C8 Q97

A death conspired will come into full effect.
The charges given and the voyage of death.
Elected, created, received, defeated by its followers.
In remorse the blood of the innocents will be in front of them.

Already analyzed.
They measured out murder of an innocent person or innocent people so too
will they witness the deaths of innocent people in their own house, if you will.

Even more in the same category.

C5 Q18

The unhappy abandoned one will die of grief.
His conqueress will celebrate the hecatomb.
Prstine law, edict drawn up.
The wall and Prince falls on the seventh day.

Just read it.  I'm sure you'll notice things I've already mentioned.
A lady.  Hecatomb definiton - in ancient Greece or Rome a great public sacrifice,
originally of a hundred oxen - or - an excessive loss of life for some cause.
Remember - no sacrifice, but rather, judgment.  And, just to clarify, the Lady here, Mother Mary,
will not be celebrating the hecatomb but be celebrated by the event taking place from God.
New pristine law and new edict for the, New Age.  And what about the Prince and wall to fall?  Well, the Prince
is the one of Darkness and the wall .... Well, there has to be a new Temple built, right?

Category III- Marked,

Those who did not cross the line to commit murder but had heavy sins on their souls, nonetheles
Not leaving this plane of existence in the same manner as the ones before.  In the same hour or two.
But rather dying on there own.  How?  Well, if you can't face God and live then, by extension,
you can't face the judgment of God and live, especially when you have heavy sins on your soul.  Put it this way,
there bodies won't be able to take it.  They will start dropping off like flies.  Any support on this conjecture of mine?

C8 Q1

Several will be confused in their waiting.
Pardon will not be given the inhabitants.
Those who thought well of persisting in the waiting
But not much spare time will be given them.

If there was ever a straight-forward quatrain I presented - the above is it.
Notice the play on - spare - and - spared - time?

Category IV -  Marked - but to be spared and their mark will be lifted.  Lifted, after the, - Formande.  
Another word in the quatrains.  For - in Latin means to speak and Mande - means - commissioned.

Thirty?  As in - The King saved and (but) thirty of the ones present.  People who were approached to commit evil and said - No  
People who got entangled in this sordid mess due to a loved one.  People who didn't have the heart to do anything evil.  
People who knew what was happening and did nothing.  Hoping it would all go away.

BTW - the reason why I keep placing - and (but) together - is due to the fact, Nostradamus
used an - & - ampersand.  Either meaning in the 1500's could hold true but - excuse the pun - but - sounds better.
And, speaking of the said word - but ,,, as by a miracle the King (God) saved but thirty of the ones present.

And?  Forgot to mention this. regarding the marked.  All of them who bears it will be called to testify
before the reds and whites.  What's going on in your country Canada?  Is it indeed from God?

Right or wrong .... I am sticking with this prediction.

P.S.  A new spectacle over the skies of Quebec City for a New Age?  Also, if I am proved right to a tee
and the exact number of thrity were indeed marked and then spared, it would match the exact number of silver coins
it took to betray, Jesus.  Maybe, if money was so important to some of the others, they can pray to it?

BTW - if one was to describe Hell in two colors they would be, red and black, correct?.  And, if Nostradmus was indeed in a colorful
mood, then money itself would to be described in the slang term - green.   I guess the - high price unguarded - will be paid for their love
of money, after all.  Or it certainly seems that way to me.

C10 Q30

Nephew and blood of the new saint come.
Through the surname he will sustain arches and roofs.
They will be driven out and put to death, chased nude.
Into red and black will they convert their green.


Incidentally, you did notice the play on the word - convert - perhaps in a religious manner?  
And, green in French is written - vert - whcih could also be a play on the word  truth - verite



  
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 23, 2018, 07:49:41 PM
Well, since I placed the categories of people who will be caught in the event of
the Lady clothed with the sun, let's see if Nostradamus provided any hints or descriptive terms that
would refer to the ones who will be claimed at the onset?  Or, when Satan rises.   Please note, I already stated one
as in how a noble one - yeah, right - will be leading a long train down to be discovered by the mastiffs.  Check this one out.

C4 Q55

The crow on the tower made of brick
For seven hours will continue to scream.
Death fortold, the statue stained with blood.
Tyrant murdered, people praying to their Gods.

The crow on the tower made of brick.

First of all, some of the people who deal with mystical symbolism do believe the presence
of a single crow could be an omen of change and some even believe it is foreshadowing a
death or deaths, to come.  Secondly, if you look at the top of the Coat of Arms for Quebec City you
will indeed see the upper portion of a brick tower and/or a brick tower also fashioned to represent a crown.
Seriously, check it out for yourselves.

For seven hours will continue to scream

It does have a Biblical tone to it, does it not?  Seven?

Death foretold, the statue stained with blood.

It does have a Biblical tone to it, does it not?

Tyrant murdered, people praying to their Gods.

Question.  When a Tyrant is associated with people, aren't they usually happy
to be rid of him, if he was indeed murdered?  So isn't it possible, people could be praying
to their Gods because they are in an event which is frightening and the Tyrant murdered
is one of the things that happened during that terrifying event?

Makes sense to me.  So, if Nostradamus is speaking of the same individual then he
would be noble - yeah, right - and have some degree of power to him.

C1  Q94

At port Selin the tyrant put to death.
Liberty nevertheless shall not be recovered.
The new Mars because of vengance and remorse
The Lady honored through the force of terror.

Let's go backwards with this one.  Somehow, someway, a Lady will be honored
through the force of terror or due to a terrifying event.  Doesn't that fit what I've been saying?

The new Mars because of vengance and remorse.
Notice, new -  Mars - God of war - Mother Mary in a battle?
Vengence and remorse.  What they measurded out will be measured in?

Liberty nevertheless shall not be recovered.  
If that means freedom and doing what one wishes ...  Yeah, that statement fits.

At port Selin the tyrant put to death.

Yes, there was a Selinus in ancient times.  A city in, Sicily.  Battles there, as well.  But as far as I know, none whereby
a port or harbor was instrumental but Nostradamus, could have made another play on words.  It seems, Seline. was a
moon goddess in ancient Greece.  You know, the moon representing the feminine, and her name when translated means
- Heaven, moon - and if it is a female - Heaven Lady?    

C10 Q70

The shining deed of the old one exalted anew.
Through the South and - Aquillon - they will be very great.
Raised by his own sister, great crowds.
Fleeing, murdered in the thicket of Ambellon.

The shining deed of the old one exalted anew.
 
Satan and one third of the Angels launched a rebellion against God in Heaven
and He kiccked all their ugly asses down to earth.  And, the event exalted anew?
Mother Mary boots his head in?  Fits?

Through the South and Aquillon ....
Already mentioned.  

they will be very great.

Well, either the two entities will be very great or the crowds as mentioned
in the next line which seems out of place will be great as in the witnessing.
I'm sticking with that.

Raised by his own sister.
Another hint - noble - yeah, right - tyrant - and raised by his sister.

Fleeing, murdered in the thicket of Ambellon.

So, what's an, Ambellon?  Don't know.  The closest I could find, if you excuse the spelling is, Ambion.  
Like the Battle of Ambion Hill.  Some reference to a war in England whereby the victorious king thought it should
be the beginning of a new age.  I think it was called, The War of the Roses.   Why does that last word sound so familiar?
Oh, yeah.  The Rose in the middle of the world scene.

One more.

C3 Q96

The Chief of Fossano will have his throst cut
By the leader of the bloodhound and greyhound.
The deed executed by those of the Tarpian Rock
Sun in Leo, February 13.

Before I get into this verse there has to be a lead in.  Fossano is a town in northern Italy
and one of its most prominet structures is a castle.  So who was the Chief property owner
and/or Chief citizen who owned this castle at one time?  He was, Joseph Fouche, the Chief of Police, for all of France when
Napoleon was in charge.  And, what was this, Fouche, like?  Well, the best description I read about him was ...
He had the soul of a demon and a face like a corpse.  Anything else we should know about thii Dracula with a badge?
Yes.  He actually became a Priest when he was young  but soon renounced his vows when he thought the secular life would
be more appealing.  So, while the real Chief died in obscurity, what is Nostradamus predicting for this future one?

The Chief of Fossano will have his throat cut.

Well, anyway you look at it, he will have a violent death and with his throat being cut (symbolically speaking)
he will not be testifying before the Formande or when the government of Canada will be investigating the event I've been predicting.
And, how will he be meeting his end?

By the leader of the bloodhound and greyhound.  

Here again, Artemis, the hunter goddess?  The moon goddess? The virgin?
Kind of fitting for a crooked cop, don't you think?  Now, the trail will lead to him.

The deed executed by those of the Tarpian Rock.
Two parts.

The deed executed ...

What a genius.  The deed came about as in - executed - and the deed concerns - execution.
As in the - marvelouss deed - I've spoken about?  And how did this event occur?

... by those of the Tarpian Rock.  

I don't know if you know this, but way back when, the city of Rome (during the Republic period) would execute their crimminals
in a public way.  How?  By casting them down off a cliff to the rocks below.  The main rock from whence they were hurled was called
the Tarpian Rock.  Named after, Tarpia, who had been a, Vestal Virgin.  In fact, the Temple of the Vestal Virgins was close by.
Do I have to say it?  Isn't Nostradamus telling us a Virgin perhaps, a Virgin Mother, will be responsible for a public execution of criminals?  
Even if some don't appear that way?  Or, am I reading into this?

Sun in Leo. February 13.

That date is very significant, I can assure you of that, but right now, I will say, with the sidreal way (whatever that is)
of looking at the Zodiac now days, it happens just beofre the House of Aquarius begins.  Perhaps, just before the Age of Aquarius
will begin?  Check it out.  And, oh yeah ... the guy.

You know the noble one - yeah, right - raised by his sister - Tyrant, with a power behind him - maybe, at one time, thought of becoming
a Priest?  Becoming a cop instead to protect and serve?  A cop with a fair degree of power and prestige like a Chief?  Who knows?  

      

 



Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 25, 2018, 12:31:12 PM
The events at Fatima in 1917 and how I think it connects with what I've been predicting.

First of all, it doesn't make sense that I go through the entire event when you can search it on your own
so I will just state the basic facts.  Beginning on May 13, 1917 and taking place on the 13th of every month including October,
three children from the small village of  Fatima, Portugal claimed to have seen a lady who the oldest, Lucy, later stated, was indeed,
Mother Mary.  Please note, Lucy, was the only one of the three who could hear the Lady speak.  Both Francesco and Jacinta, the two youngest
did not.  What people forget about the first encounter is that the Lady stated - I come to ask you to come here for six months at the same hour.  
There I will tell you who I am  and what I want.  And afterwards, I will return here a seventh time.   And, as far as I know, that seventh time
without the children there, hasn't happened ... yet.

On July 13, 1917, the three children were given three visions.  Lucy devulged the first two right away but the third, she kept to herself
and that became known as the, Third Secret of Fatima.   More on that to come.

On October 13, 1917, there was the occurance called the, Dance of the Sun, which many believe was the greatest supernatural event
in modern times.  Again, you can Google that on your oen.  So, let's get back to the topic at hand.  Can I provide any support other than
what I've presented so far that either, points to Mother Mary as being the Lady clothed with the sun a/o, a connection to the events at Fatima?  
Well, consider the following.

1.  Just horsing around on Youtube I punched in Mother Mary, province of Quebec and I got a hit om Google Earth of all things.
It seems that the outline of Mother Mary can be seen as it concerns that province.  Check it out.  Yes - it does involve a subjective approach
and Yes - if you do see it as well it could be a meaningless coincidence  but ... if the event does take place over Quebec City ... then maybe, just maybe, it wasn't that meaningless.

2.  Remeber the Battle for Quebec City?  On, The Heights of Abraham or, The Plains of Abraham?  You know, the one which took place
on September 13, 1759?  That was a Fatima day, was it not?  And, well it should be if the events of Fatima will connect to, Quebec City.

3.  C6 Q22

In the year five hundred and eighty, more or less.  
There shall be a strange age.
In the year seven hundred and three (witness Heaven)
Many kingdoms one in five to change.

If you just look at the simlpest numbers presented, you would get, 5 and 8, 7 and 3 and, 1 and 5.  
Meaning?   Well,  5 + 8 = 13.   7 + 3 = 10.   1 + 5 = 6.   On the - sixth - visitation of Mother Mary at Fatima,  
which took place on the 13th of October, or the tenth month.  On, 13/10 and the 6th (visitation) in 1917.  The Dance of the Sun?  
Witness Heaven?

Strange Age indeed.  If the next Age will be instigated by God with an event on earth rather than primarily relying on the celestial movements
Then what else would you call it but - strange?

One in five kingdoms or countries to change.  Not many.  Well, both Nostradamus and I are rather skeptical of mankind anyway.
But then - Hope springs eternal.  BTW - if no countries changed from the first event, do you think, Nostradamus, was predicting
a future event regarding, Our Lady of Fatima?  I think he was.

4.  C3 Q92

The Chief of Fossano will have his throat cut.
By the leader of the bloodhound and greyhound.
The deed executed by those of the Tarpian Rock.
Sun in Leo. February 13.

Now what?  I already presented this and stated that February 13 in the standard Zodiac would be - in - the
Constellatio of, Aquarius.  And, by the other viewpoint, it would be on the - threshold - of that same Constellation.
You kmow, foreshadowing the Age of Aquarius to come?  But, February 13 was NOT a Fatima day.  That's correct, but just
for the Heck of it  ... again.  I punched in, February 13, Lucy of Fatima's death and .... She died on February 13, 2005.  
Maybe, just another meaningless coincidence?

    



Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 26, 2018, 07:56:47 PM
The Third Secret of Fatima and if I did interpret it correctly, how it would fit my conjectures perfectly.  

Here again, I'm not going to go in any detail as it concerned the three children of Fatima after the event known as the, Dance of the Sun,
but I will focus only on the story of the, Third Secret, itself.  After the event as mentioned, Lucy, the oldest, had become a nun and
sometime in the late '40's she became ill.  In fact, she was so ill some people around her thought she was going to die.  When the Bishop of that area
heard this, he immediately approached Sister Lucy to divulge the Secret.  She refused.  He then contacted the Pope with his concern and he
ordered her to do it and she relented.  The Bishop then brought the written account of the Secret to the Pope.  He read it and then sealed it.  And, that's
what happened with every new Pope thereafter.  He read it, sealed it.  The next one, did the same thing and so on, until the early 2000's when,
John Paul II, decided to release it to the world.  Please note, he released it only after the Vatican studied it and their interpretation was given with the release as well.  Their interpretation?   Already stated in a previous segment.  Politely put, it was a letdown.

So there it was on the computer before me and I must have read it around 20 - 25 times in a row and I couldn't make heads or tails of it.
As a last resort I said to myself,- Maybe if I looked at it in sections I could derive some kind of meaning that way?  And?  It is in sections.

If you look at the first section, Mother Mary is NOT on the planet, Earth.  She's looking down on the planet, Earth and an Angel has a fiery
sword with a flame which Lucy states could set the whole Earth on fire and Mother Mary due to Her splendor and radiance quelled the fire and the
Angel states to the Earth pointing down,  Penance.  Penance.  Penance.

Second section.  It begins with Lucy saying she saw a group of Bishops dressed in white and she had the - impression - one of them was
the Holy Father.  Alarm # 1.  Since when does a Pope, given his attire, not stand out in a group of Cardinals, let alone Bishops?  Something is wrong.
It seems like he's hiding.  This does not seem like a viable Catholic Church to me.  

Lucy, then goes on, that a number of people are with him.  Priests, other Bishops lay people, all religious.  Alarm #2.  It seems like there is no organization to it.  When would the Pope travel with such a hodgepodge group of people like that?  

She then goes on to tell us, they are going towards a mountain where there is a cross and one could surmise some kind of miracle must have taken
place on the mountain and/or, as it concerns, that cross.  Lucy then states, that before they went to climb that mountain, they had to go through a big
city, half in ruins and half trembling.  Alarm # 3.  Would a Pope with any degree of concern for his own safety, let alone, the safety of those with him,
choose such a path?

This group with the Pope at the lead then goes up that mountain and what is the first thing that draws their attention?  Corpses.  Do I have to ring the
alarm again?  What kind of pilgrimage is this?  What are they doing?  Going up that mountain to die?  Yes, that's exactly what they're doing.  Going up that mountain to do nothing else, but die.  Why?  To fulfill the prophecy of the Third Secret of Fatima.  That's why.  

And, what awaits the Pope and that group once they get to the top of the mountain?  Soldiers appear, who cut them down starting with the Holy Father
and then the rest.  And how did the soldiers cut them down?  With bullets and arrows.  Alarm # 5.  Lucy had this vision in 1917 and even by those standards, what kind of sophisticated army, even then, would use, bows and arrows?  Does this appear to you like a sophisticated army or is it a scene from, Road Warriors?  Rag tag, soldiers.  This looks entirely to me like a breakdown of civilization.

And, how does this depressing event end?  With two Angels, this time standing on each side of the cross.  And what are those Angels doing?  Nothing.
Nothing, but collecting the souls of those who died and sending them up to Heaven.  No action whatsoever like in the First Section, when the Angel is giving mankind a warning.  Nothing but gathering the souls and sending them to Heaven.

So, may I ask you something?  If Mother Mary prevented a great chastisement to the world, why does it look like one took place?  Well, to me, there must
have been an event, between Section One and Section Two that would explain it.  Like maybe the Lady clothed with the Sun?  Like maybe Satan and
a sizeable number of people with him, had a downfall before the world?  Like maybe there was a judgment day, not for all of mankind but a judgment
day to be witnessed by all of mankind?  Like maybe, there came the final warning from God due to this event and if it isn't heeded?   Go back and
read the Third Secret again.  


BTW - you do remember this quatrain which I only analyzed halfway.

C5 Q72

For the pleasure of the voluptuous edict
One shall mix poison in the faith
Venus shall be on a course so virtuous
As to becloud the whole quality of the sun.

Yeah, you remember.  Nostradamus was using the goddess, Venus as a stand-in for
Mother Mary, so virtuous as to becloud the whole quality of the sun.

Ever think the first two lines may have been referring to the, Third Secret of Fatima,
as interpreted by the Vatican and how they only took it at face value?  The voluptuous Venus as
opposed to the virtuous one?  That there really was a meaning and a prophecy to it?  Again, Edict, meaning -
an official order or proclamation by a person (or an institution) with authority.




  
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 28, 2018, 11:26:20 AM
And, speaking of how Venus shall be on a course so virtuous as to becloud the whole quality of
the Sun and the prophecy thereof.  Consider the following.

C5 Q53

The law of the Sun and Venus in contention  
Appropriating the spirit of prophecy.
Neither one will understand the other.
The law of the Great Messiah will hold through the Sun.

First of all, I have to say something.  I stated it was a Christian - tradition - about the Lady clothed with the sun
and how She will strike Satan in the back of his head, in the sky.  It wasn't formally accepted by the powers that be
to be, a bona fide prophecy and Fatima?  Same thing.  Regardless of the Catholic Church's stance on the subject there are
groups who believe that, either the Church withheld information - or - their judgment on the matter was entirely wrong.  In fact,
the best statement I ever read regarding the events of Fatima and the Catholic Church was the following  They - the Vatican - doesn't
know what to do with Fatima.  I agree with that.  An event from God that ends up with nothing.  No great mystery is revealed nor,
the future unveiled?  Anyway

The law of the Sun and Venus in contention.

Change law to - a ruling - with an authority or the law behind it - and you will see the events of Fatima and the prediction
of the Lady clothed with the sun are arguable points of view.  Both parties don't agree.  They are in contention.  They are against each other.

Appropriating the spirit of prophecy.

Appropriating means - taking away - or - setting aside.  And?  Well, that's what happened.
No prophecy here folks.  Get on with your lives.  Oh, yes there was.

Neither one will understand the other.

One group for the events at Fatima and the Lady clothed with the sun - as in - there really is something there.
And, one group against it.  There is nothing there.  Do you understand?  No, do you?

The law of the Great Messiah will hold through the Sun.
Two parts

The law of the Great Messiah ...

Well, if there is a judgment day to come to be witnessed by mankind then the - Holy law - will be there
and if it concerns - Jesus - then the Great Messiah will be referred to.

will hold through the Sun.

The French word used for - hold through - was - tiandra - which does mean - hold through.
But another definition means - to take place.   Isn't it possible the line could have stated
The law of the Great Messiah will take place Well, one way or the other, the Sun has to be in the picture.  Correct?
As in - Venus shall be on a course so virtuous as to becloud the whole quality of the Sun?        
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 29, 2018, 02:43:07 PM
Well, you and I are going to follow a specific word which Lucy of Fatima used to describe, Mother Mary,
in the Third Secret and we'll see how it does seem that Nostradamus was indeed predicting the Lady clothed to the Sun and
how it does tie in to the events of Fatima.  Here is a direct quote from the same said passage which deals with the Angel and
his fiery sword and the huge flames which were emanating from it to be aimed at the earth -  - - but they died out in contact with the
- splendor - that Our Lady radiated towards him ...  So, how many times did Nostradamus use that specific word in his quatrains?
Four - and please note, some have been already analyzed.

C1 Q2

With rod in hand in the midst of Branchus
With water he wets both hands and feet
Fearful, voice trembling through his sleeves
Devine splendor, the devine seats himself nearby.

From what I gather this was how Nostradamus would prepare to get his visions and Branchus
was a Greek, either human or god, who was known for his prophetic nature and the line of other prophets
who followed him.  Descendants?  I don't know.  Maybe, in spirit only.

C10 Q98

For the merry maid the bright splendor
Will shine no longer.  For long she will be without salt.
With merchants, bullies, wolves odious
All confusion, universal monster.

Already analyzed.  If Nostradamus was referring to, Astrea, and she became, Virgo, then
it is Virgo who has the splendor.  The only House of the Zodiac to show a woman.  And?
There is a universal monster, is there not?  And?  People associated with him?

C4 Q28

When Venus will be covered by the Sun
Under the splendor will be a hidden form
Mercury will have exposed them in the fire
Through warlike noise it will be insulated.

Already analyzed.  Venus, the goddess will be covered by the sun
and there will be a splendor to it.

C1 Q80

From the sixth celestial spendor
It will come to thunder very fiercely in Burgundy.
Then of a hideous beast shall be born a monster.
March, April, May, June, great wounding and worrying.

Not analyzed, as of yet.  First of all, Virgo, is the - sixth - sign of the Zodiac
so SHE has the splendor.  As for Burgundy - two ways it could support me.
The word - Burg -  means a fortified or walled town in early or Medieval Europe.
This matches, Quebec City, as far as fortified and walled are concerned but ... that was in the English translation,
not the French.  If that bothers you, then consider the following.  At one time there was a, Kingsom of Burgundy,
and the two primary cities therein were, Geneva and ... Lyons.  Remember Lyons, the stand-in for. Quebec City?  
So either way or both ways, it fits my conjectures.

Then of a hideous beast shall be born a monster.

Yes, if mankind does not heed the final warning from God.  Again, if you're not doing anything
go back and read, The Third Secret of Fatima.

March, April, May, June, great wounding and worrying.

You know, the people who had a downfall with Satan?  Those still alive who are testifying?  The unjust ones who want to
unjustly discuss Holy Laws?  

So, just to recap - splendor - is connected with the divine.  Connected to prophecy.  Connected to Virgo, a Lady?  Connected to Astrea
and Venus?  Connected to the Sun.  Connected to the beginning of a new Astrological Age?  Connected with a universal monster?  Connected to
a walled or fortified town or city?  Connected to Lyons?  Connected to the Bible.  Connected to a judgment day?  And?  Connecyed to the events
at Fatima in 1917, namely, The Third Secret.

I'm sure I've missed a couple of connections but that's good enough for now.

BTW ... would you do me a favor?  Just go to Wikipedia and read the Third Secret of Fatima for yourself.
Read it once, as it is.   And then ... read it as if the event of the Lady clothed with the Sun took place between the sections.
Between the time when Mother Mary and that Angel were NOT on the earth and a chastisment  towards the earth was prevented and
then ... see how a great chastisment to the earth seemed to have happened.  The - why - would be in the middle.  At the very least, some
kind of warning to mankind must have been given which wasn't heeded.






Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on August 30, 2018, 08:35:53 PM
At the onset, I've been saying that the next Age will begin with an event concerning the innocents and the pronounced
(as in marked) malefactors and Wait a minute.  Did I say that or did, Nostradamus?  Take a look.

C9 Q14

Dyer's cauldrons put on a flat surface
Wine, honey, oil and built over furnaces.
They will be immersed, innocents and pronounced malefactors.
Seven of Bordeaux, smoke in the cannon.

Now, there were two reasons why I even dared to try to decipher the above quatrain.  The first -  as stated - it seemed to match -
exactly - what I was saying regarding the two main groups.  Second reason?  Well, since Jesus is at the center of all this anyway, I decided
to punch in, Jesus and the Dyer, over the computer and expecting nothing  I got a hit.  It seems there was a tale which emerged a few
hundred years after Christianity had been established, which centers around Jesus when He was twelve years old.  He happened to pass by  
a Dyer's Shop located at, 1917 Nazareth Avenue and He went in.  The young, Jesus, then noticed the owner was gone and in order to help
He put the robes and whatever apparel was next to the cauldron, into the cauldron.  Again, hoping to help.  

When the owner did return he was upset more than anything else.  Yes, the items were to go into the cauldron  but now when they would
be coming out, all would be the same color which was NOT what he wanted.  The Dyer wanted to put in the clothes in an intermittent manner
and add the mixtures accordingly.  The young, Jesus, then looked at the shop owner and said, something like -  Hey, Dude, will you relax?  
There's no damage done.  Look!  And when the Dyer pulled out the clothing, each item was the exact color which he intended.to begin with.    
Now, let's look at the verse at hand as a whole.

It seems to me, because Nostradamus states, cauldrons and furnaces, in the plural, that a sizable number of people will be going through a Tribulation
of sorts.  As in the word, immersed.  The innocents will be going to the positive, hence the phrase, wine, honey and oil.  While most of the pronounced malefactors will be going to the negative.  Hence the word - furnaces.  Still another connection to Vulcan, the Roman god of fire.  To Vulcan bodies
dead ones to bury.  Each group will be exposed as to their true natures or - colors - thus keeping with the theme of the verse.  The innocents will be known
as such and so will the malefactors.  The phrase of the cauldrons put on a flat surface could refer to, Quebec City, as in the battle fought there (on a
Fatima day, no less) was later known as taking place on the, Plains of Abraham.  So, that leaves one line to interpret.  

Seven of Bordeaux, smoke in the cannon.  

Let's look at the latter - smoke in the cannon.  First, you get the impression that a battle took place which is now over and there's smoke in the
cannon still emerging outwards.  Smoke, by the way, is a symbol for the, Devil or Satan   Check it out.  Defeated yes - but not destroyed?  So, that
leaves one phrase to decipher - Seven of Bordeaux.  I don't know.  If I had to give one meaning I would say, that since it is a type of
wine, it could be interpreted as meaning - deep red.   Perhaps, seven connected to the Chief of Fossano?  That crooked Chief of Police.  You remember?  
The color red would indeed fit, as far as Canada is concerned.  It could also mean, if broken down, edge - as in bord - and - waste water - as in - eaux.  
Still red, of course.


BTW - if you think I presented a weak argument that the cauldrons on the - flat surface - could have been referring to the battle for, Quebec City,
on the - Plains - of Abraham and regarding the, Seven of Bordeaux, then chuck them both.  Anyway you look at it, there does seem to be a strong
connection with, Jesus.  A connection with a fallen, Satan and in between, there does seem to be a Tribulation of sorts, as it involved the Innocents
and the pronounced malefactors.  Those things alone, do supports my conjectures.
 
Incidentally, the word, plains, is defined as - a large area of - flat - land with few trees.  Just thought I'd mention it.

  
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on September 02, 2018, 02:00:20 PM
So, will the next quatrain take us from, Phoenix, Arizona, all the way to the collapse of the Western Wall in Jerusalem
thus signifying to the world the Third Temple must be built there and ...  a New Age has dawned?  Take it easy.  I think there
is a degree of logic to it all   just consider.

C5 Q81

The royal bird over the city of the Sun.
Seven months in advance, it will deliver a nocturnal omen.
The Eastern wall to fall, lightning, thunder
Seven days the enemies directly to the gates.

The royal bird over the city of the Sun.

Right away, I knew, Nostradamus, was referring to the Phoenix.  First of all, a lot of cultures had the Phoenix symbolism in their
historic myths and tales and some consider it to be a royal bird and some believe that the Sun does take part in its renewal.
process.  In fact, in ancient times the, City of Heliopolis, in Egypt claimed to be the home of the same said, Phoenix.  Heliopolis,
when translated does mean, City of the Sun.  So, if the Lady clothed with the Sun event takes place in the skies of, Quebec City,
then the city part is there, the walled part is there, according to the Jews - as stated in a previous segment - and now, the Sun part
is also included.

Seven months in advance it will deliver a nocturnal omen.

Well, as you may have guessed I didn't know anything about a nocturnal omen being associated with the Phoenix
so I punched in the crucial words on the web and what, of all things, popped up, but the phenomenon of the Phoenix Lights
which took place in Arizona on the - night - of March 13, 1997?  Yeah, right.  I was just about to chuck it when the number 13 caught my eye.  
No - it is NOT a Fatima day, since they took place from, May 13 to October 13, consecutively and, as stated earlier - Lucy of Fatima died
on, February, 13/05.  And?  Well, I was just about to chuck it again, when I read the line in question ... Seven months ... IN ADVANCE.  Since
an omen is a precursor or warning of what is to come, then the omen must come first and then ... seven months later ... an event?  If the word,
months, is maintained and the actual year isn't to be regarded.   Then?  Well, if you count the seven months from the 13th of March, that would bring
us to, September, 13.   A Fatima day no less and a Quebec City day, for that matter.  And, if one didn't and began from April 13, that would bring uo
to, October, 13.  The, Dance of the Sun, day at Fatima, in 1917.

BTW - I'm pretty sure you know there is indeed a city called Phoenis in Arizona but there's also a Sun City.  Just thought I'd mention it.

The Eastern Wall to fall, lightning thunder.  
This line will be done in three parts.  The last two flipped.

The Eastern Wall to fall ...

The Western or Wailing Wall is the last standing remnant of the Second Temple in Jersualem
If there is to be a Heavenly event to show where the Third Temple will be built then, yes - it will fall.
Also ... if the event occurs west of the Westen Wall then it will be heading or viewed upon as being East of the event.

thunder ...

I've been through this before.  I agree with that Native American prophecy about the next Age will begin with
a worldwide sound.

lightning.

I've been through this before.  Satan will fall like lightning.  Jesus said so.  
    

Seven days the enemies directly at the gates.

Well, here we go again.  One small portion of a verse that is ambiguous.  Since it is stated - enemies -  like the devine one's - enemies -
in a previous quatrain and the word - directly - this could refer to the first claimed by Satan as in, a great - scattered - flame that will leap up.  
That small group (5-9) right at the onset claimed by the scattering, if you will, and - directly - ending up at the gates of Hell.  Seven days -
could be a portent before the event or it could be a play on seven and September.  Sept for seven and Sept, as an abbreviation, for that specific month.  
In September days - seven- - will be going directly to Hell before anyone else?  Also, I'd like to state the following.

How the Phoenix Lights came about is a moot point to me.  If it was a hoax, as perpretated by someone in dire need of a girlfriend, or
it was a secret military exercise or Alien in nature, means nothing.  It's the story and how it spread worldwide, that's the key.  Something mysterious
happened in the sky.  The same thing will happen if my conjectures prove to be true - in spades.  And, oh yes, just one more thing ... the Phoenix,
itself, was an early Christian symbol for, Jesus.  Maybe, that would fit in as well as far as my conjecturs are concerned?

Now, if you'll excuse me, there's a girl, my Lord, in a flatbed Ford slowing down in front of my house.
I'm going to check it out.  Probably from Amazon.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on September 08, 2018, 04:47:59 PM
Well, since we looked at the word - splendor - and how it appeared only four times in the quatrains of Nostradamus.
Once, coupled with the word - divine.  Twice with the constellation Virgo (Lady) and once, when it was associated with the goddess,
Venus (Lady).  Not to mention ... how that specific word appeared in the Third Secret of Fatima, regarding, Mother Mary, and more importantly,
how She could indeed, be appearing in the same said prophecy as the, Divine Lady clothed with the Sun  ... Let's look at something - new -
for a change.  Literally.  Check it out.

New City was mentioned three times in the quatrains, I've analyzed so far and ....
New deeds.  New king.  New edict.  New saint.  New spectacle.  New state and, new Mars.

Perhaps they all connect with that line I already presented?

The Great Mover - renews - the Ages?
Especially in the manner I'm predicting?
And, speaking of which ...

C3 Q97
  
New law to occupy the new land
Towards Syria, Judea and Palestine.  
The great barbarian empire to decay
Before the moon completes its cycle.

So, how would you interprt the first two lines of the quatrain above?  To me, it seems like there is going to be a - new - beginning
taking place as it primarily concerns, Judea and Palenstine.  Maybe where the Third Temple is to be built?  Maybe the Jews, Christian
and Muslims will come to realize that it has to be built, especially given the supernatural event around it?  Just thinking outloud folks.

The great barbarian empire to decay.

Well, given the Three Secrets of Fatima imparted to, Lucy, I've got a notion as to which empire Nostradamus
is speaking about which will start to decay after the said event and become a beacon for the world.  You?

Before the moon completes its cycle.  

Well, anyway you look at it, whatever phase the moon was in when the event happened, it will
appear the same way about a month later.  Correct?  Yeah, a month's time should be enough for all the major religions
of the world to reach a consensus regarding the Temple and other things.  Like we're all in this together?  Like, we were all right
to a degree and wrong in other areas of our dogma, so let's get over it.  Think of the Age which has begun folks.  Or, will you?

BTW ... since the phases of the moon is the only chronological hint we're given, perhaps, the verse should read as such.

C3 Q97

Before the moon completes its cycle.
New law to occupy the new land.
Towards Syria, Judea and Palestine.
The great barbaric empire to decay.

Yeah, that seems better.  The moon - which could represent a female diety and, in less than a month's time ....
as mentioned above and then ...the barbaric empire will start to decay.  And?  Well, if it isn't the specific place as mentioned
in one of the, Three Secrets of Fatima, then, it can only mean the decaying of one other thing.  At least, as far as my conjectures go.

  
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on September 14, 2018, 07:22:27 PM
Do you want to see how the planet, Saturn, could indeed fit in with my conjecture regarding
the beginning of a New Age - a judgment day to be witnessed by all of mankind and a punishment thereof
and - with the Jewish people?  Please read on.

C1 Q54

Two revolutions will be caused by the evil scythe bearer
Making a change of reign and centuries
The mobile sign thus moves into its house
Equal in favor to both sides.

Two revolutions caused by the evil scythe bearer.
Making a change of reign and centuries.

The planet, Saturn, does make revolutions around the sun (like all planets) and it was often depicted as an old man carrying
a scythe.  In fact, in the old days when a New Year was dawning, that old man in depictions would be going forward only to be
replaced by a new born baby.  Of course, Nostradamus, does seem to inlply it would be far more than a New Year but rather, a New Age
Hence the second line.  Making a change of reign and centuries.  But notice there is no reference point.  Two revolutions from what?

The mobile sign thus moves into its house.
Equal in favor to both sides.

Well, if he's speaking in Astrologoical terms then the - equal in favor to both sides - could be a scale and the Astrological house
could be, Libra.  The Scales of Justice or Judgment?  Moving, as in - mobile - into its place?  Balanced at the beginning in equal fashion
and then ... after an event, to tip against the unjust?  It's possible.  Now, look at the next quatrain.

C9 Q79

Again will the holy temples be polluted
And plundered by the Senate of Toulouse.
Saturn two three cycles completed.
In April May people of a new leaven.

Let's look at the last two lines first.

Saturn two three cycles completed.
In April May people of a new leaven.

Now what?  Here Nostradamus states Saturn will have two three cycles completed ... not, two - as in the original verse.
How is that possible?  Two Three?  Well, if two revolutions were completed and then, some time - into - the third but not completing the third
cycle... then it would make sense.  But again, no reference point?  Well maybe there is.  If anyone mentions unleavened or leavened bread to me,
the first group of people I would think of, would be the, Jews.   So if it is the Jewish people a/o Israel then, given their modern founding year was in
1948, maybe that would be the reference point?  It takes 29.5 years for one revolution of Saturn to circle the sun.  If added to 1948 that would bring us
to, 1977.  One more and we'd be in 2007.  So, since the third would be completed in 2036, then the event within the two and three revolutions must
occur sometime between, 2007 and 2036.  Also, I'd like you to consider the following.

Believe it or not, the planet, Saturn, does have a strong connection with the Jewish people even if the quatrains above never existed. Check it out.  
Also, Jesus Himself compared the Kingdom of Heaven with leaven, the yeast which causes bread to rise.  Here again, check it out.  Meaning?
Well, if you think I stretched things out to match the - people of a new leaven - to the Jews, it could have been there anyway.  Last, but not least,
consider the following.  The whole matter of the Jews being connected with unleavened bread stems from the Passover.  You know.  When the Jews left,
Egypt, in a hurry after the, Angel of Death, took the first born throughout the land.  Except those who had the blood of the lamb over their doors.
So?  Well, maybe Nostradamus was referring to another event where the, Angel of Death, will come upon the earth?  The deaths of the dead who will
be burying the dead?  To Vulcan bodies dead ones to bury?  It does fit the Jewish people.  It does fit, Jesus.  If leaven was compared to the Kingdom
of God by Jesus and He is returning ... then where else would He establish the Kingdom on earth but in, Jerusalem?  Where else, but in the Third Temple
in, Jerusalem. Where else but with the people of a new leaven?  The same group who was identified with unleavened bread?  

BTW - I forgot to mention something.  The Passover event as marked by the Jews takes place each year in the spring, usually, March or April.
In the above verse he isolates, April and May.  This may do with the shift of the Zodiac through time.  Either way, it would be in the spring and it
does match another line presented before.  In March, April, May, June, great wounding and worrying   Like maybe, there's a group identified before
the world?  Wounding each other ...  Well, he did worse than me .. Why should I suffer the same fate?  And ... Well, the worrying part would be
understandable.  Now, that only leaves two lines to decipher but first look at the order as it concerns Saturn.  Both quatrains combined to a degree.  
The first four in the first.  The last two line of the second.

C1 Q54

Two revolutions will be caused by the evil scythe bearer
Marking a change of reign and centuries.
The mobile sign thus moves into its house.
Equal in favor to both sides.

C9 Q79

Saturn two three cycles completed.
In April May, people of a new leaven.

To me .. it is there.  Now, for the last two lines.

Again will the holy temples be polluted
And plundered by the Senate of Toulouse.

Meaning?  Well, granted it doesn't seem to fit my conjectures but, I did find out, Toulouse,
a city in France due to its pinkish architecture from bygone days, has been often called - La Ville Rose.  This does translate
to - a city with a pinkish hue but, it could also be translated as ... The city of the rose.  Since the word - rose - could be a pinkish color
or, an actual, rose.  Well, since Nostradamus already mentioned ... the Rose in the middle of the world scene
which I already analyzed could be Mother Mary in the skies of Quebec City, the New City ... then I'll stick with that.

And, what happens there?  Look at it.  If it fits then it could only mean one thing.  I've stated to you before that - IF - the Age of Aquarius
does come, then it should mean a very positive time for mankind.  Peace.  Harmony.  Brotherhood.  Tolerance.  Cooperation, etc.  If that
positive isn't maintained throughout to our end of days ... then, as stated, Satan will rise again.  To heights unimaginable.  

BTW - the French word, Senat, does indeed mean - Senate.  It could also mean - Parliament.  Like the one in Canada.

And, oh yes ... just one more thing, a la Lieutenant, Columbo, regarding, Saturn,
and the possibility that the New Age - IF - it comes, could reverse itself.

C1 Q51

The head of Aries, Jupiter and Saturn
Eternal God what changes
Then the bad times will return after a long century (or, cycle)
What turmoil in France and Italy.

The head of Aries ...

The Head or Point of Aries could very well be interpreted as the beginning
of a, New Age.  Aries, after all, is the first sign of the Zodiac.

Jupiter and Saturn.

Jupiter always represents the Kingly and Saturn, the ruling planet for the Jewish people a/o, Israel, itself

Eternal God what changes.

Could be taken in two ways.
Wow, did you see all the positive things mankind did after the, Age of Aquarius, began?
And, it's still going strong.  Or?

Eternal God what changes.

Well, it started out pretty good but there goes mankind again. Acting like a bunch of money hungry,
power seeking, self centered, mother  ....  idiots.

Then the bad times will return again after a long century or cycle.

Prophecy or warning?  Are these shadows of things that must be, or are they shadows of things that MIGHT be?
Side note - Alastair Sim did deserve the Oscar for Best Actor that year.  No doubt about it.

What turmoil in France and Italy.

Hey, it might not happen. Right?  Just like the ending of the Third Secret of Fatima.








  

  






















Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on September 21, 2018, 02:51:55 PM
Well, since the very first quatrain I presented here was recently mentioned, I'm going to restate
my conjectures on the verse and add one to it.   You tell me, if my thoughts on the matter could be plausible
and please note the word which is emboldened.

C6  Q97

At forty five degrees the sky will burn.
Fire approaches the great new city.
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up.
When they will want verification from the Normans.
or ..
When the world will demand verification from the Normans.

To me, this quatrain does - NOT - give any historical clues but rather, geographical ones.
Let's start with the last line.
When the world will demand verification from the Normans.

As stated - the Normans could be people from a particular province in France called, Normandy or
it could represent a northern people or country.  If put together, then it could be speaking of a northern
country with a province which speaks French and that only leaves one possibility - Canada,

the new city

As stated in, 2008, Canada celebrated Quebec City for being the oldest city in Canada.  If it was the oldest city
then, at one time it must have been the new city.  Makes sense to me.

At forty five degrees .

Quebec City is located at 46. 817 degrees latitude.  Close but - Lyons in France is located at 45.759 degrees latitude and as I showed,
Nostradamus used Roman and Greek deities to represent, Mother Mary, so he could very well have used the city of, Lyons, to represent,
Quebec City.

Lyons, was a new city to the Roman Empire.  QC, was a new city to, France.
Lyons, started out as a fort.  QC started out as a fort.
Lyons, was originally called - Fort on a hill.  QC, was a fort on a summit or cliff.
Lyons', nickname, if you will, is - the city of walls.  QC, was a walled city.
Lyons was a capital city.  QC was and still is, a capital city.
Lyons has a special dedication a/o connection with Mother Mary.  QC, will have a special connection  with Mother Mary,
as in, the Lady clothed with the sun taking place in the skies above, Quebec City.  Of course that is, if I'm right.  
Now, look at the quatrain that follows.  Already presented and analyzed.

C4 Q96

The elder sister of the British Isles
Will be born fifteen years before her bother.
Because of her promise procuring verification.
She will succeed to the Kingdom of the balance.

Remember, I stated, Nostradamus, could very well have been speaking of the British colonization of Canada
and how, Canada, could have been - born - fifteen years before Jamestown, Virginia in 1607 in the U.S.
How he represented Canada by the feminine and why so the feminine figure could bring about a - verification.
A feminine figure in, Canada.  A feminine figure in Canada which had a direct connection with the, British Isles.

The word - verification - is used only twice in the quatrains.  So a verification of what?  Why will the whole world
want a verification from the country of Canada?  Why?  Because the world will want to know if the event that took place in Canada
did originate from God.  That's why.  
 
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Global Doom on September 26, 2018, 10:18:58 AM
Well, since the very first quatrain I presented here was recently mentioned, I'm going to restate
my conjectures on the verse and add one to it.   You tell me, if my thoughts on the matter could be plausible
and please note the word which is emboldened.

C6  Q97

At forty five degrees the sky will burn.
Fire approaches the great new city.
In an instant a great scattered flame will leap up.
When they will want verification from the Normans.
or ..
When the world will demand verification from the Normans.

To me, this quatrain does - NOT - give any historical clues but rather, geographical ones.
Let's start with the last line.
When the world will demand verification from the Normans.

As stated - the Normans could be people from a particular province in France called, Normandy or
it could represent a northern people or country.  If put together, then it could be speaking of a northern
country with a province which speaks French and that only leaves one possibility - Canada,

the new city

As stated in, 2008, Canada celebrated Quebec City for being the oldest city in Canada.  If it was the oldest city
then, at one time it must have been the new city.  Makes sense to me.

At forty five degrees .

Quebec City is located at 46. 817 degrees latitude.  Close but - Lyons in France is located at 45.759 degrees latitude and as I showed,
Nostradamus used Roman and Greek deities to represent, Mother Mary, so he could very well have used the city of, Lyons, to represent,
Quebec City.

Lyons, was a new city to the Roman Empire.  QC, was a new city to, France.
Lyons, started out as a fort.  QC started out as a fort.
Lyons, was originally called - Fort on a hill.  QC, was a fort on a summit or cliff.
Lyons', nickname, if you will, is - the city of walls.  QC, was a walled city.
Lyons was a capital city.  QC was and still is, a capital city.
Lyons has a special dedication a/o connection with Mother Mary.  QC, will have a special connection  with Mother Mary,
as in, the Lady clothed with the sun taking place in the skies above, Quebec City.  Of course that is, if I'm right.  
Now, look at the quatrain that follows.  Already presented and analyzed.

C4 Q96

The elder sister of the British Isles
Will be born fifteen years before her bother.
Because of her promise procuring verification.
She will succeed to the Kingdom of the balance.

Remember, I stated, Nostradamus, could very well have been speaking of the British colonization of Canada
and how, Canada, could have been - born - fifteen years before Jamestown, Virginia in 1607 in the U.S.
How he represented Canada by the feminine and why so the feminine figure could bring about a - verification.
A feminine figure in, Canada.  A feminine figure in Canada which had a direct connection with the, British Isles.

The word - verification - is used only twice in the quatrains.  So a verification of what?  Why will the whole world
want a verification from the country of Canada?  Why?  Because the world will want to know if the event that took place in Canada
did originate from God.  That's why.  
 


Get the original text in 6/97 the word is probably "trial",and  in 4/96 the word could mean verification,but probably means "truth"...throw your translations away if both say verification..even though i can't
speak/read old latin and old french?...I know that word doesn't show up in both.

I told (everybody in here) i really know how ALL OF THEM ARE DATED!   6/97 is in a series  6/96,97,98...i think i know the year when this happens,but it could just be a day,which could be in any year.


4/96 is probably a person(most quatrains are people) probably a famous queen,i haven't found her yet..Im sure i will,or somebody will when i tell everybody how he dated all the quatrains..
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on September 26, 2018, 12:41:58 PM

Hey, Global.  Yeah, you're right.  The word verification does NOT appear in both quatrains but one does say - proof - which some scholars
did translate as - verification - and the other does say - verification.  Both words are interchangeable.  If however the word - truth - is really there, that only
supports me.  The world will demand an investigation from the Northern people or a northern land with a province which speaks French - Canada - to
determine if the truth of the matter does point to God.  Again - as my lead in states - If I'm right then, I'm right.  If I'm wrong then ... so be it.  To me,
it does point to the Lady clothed with the sun in the skies above Quebec City and it will happen on a bona fide Fatima day or a projected one.  
I'm sticking to it.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on October 29, 2018, 06:48:11 PM
Addition to a quatrain I've already analyzed .

C5 53

The law of the Sun and Venus in contention
Appropriating the spirit of prophecy
Neither one will understand the other
The law of the Great Messiah will hold through the Sun.

As stated, if the Sun in the first line refers to the Vatican and Venus - as in, Venus clothed with the sun -
represents Mother Mary clothed with the sun booting Satan in the head in the skies over Quebec City and a judgment day
will ensue in regards to the people who had a downfall with Satan - a judgment to be wiitnessed by all of mankind -
then everything would fit perfectly.  

The Vatican setting aside The Third Secret of Fatima etc ... ending with - the law - of the Great Messiah.
Well, consider the next quatrain.

C5 Q79

The sacred pomp will lower its wings
Through the coming of the great legislator
He will raise the humble, vex the rebels
His like will not appear on this earth.


Isn't it possible the sacred pomp is the Vatican when the Lady clothed with the sun does happen
and will connect with the Third Secret of Fatima?  How the Vatican found no meaning to the Secret, when there really was?
No prophecy, when there really was?  How the Vatican will be embarressed?

Isn't there an impression of the law - like, the Holy Law - will happen - as in a judgment day?

Isn't Nostradamus stating - the law - will appear but Jesus will NOT be appearing when the event happens
but will appear ... later?


PS - you did notice, he does speak of the law of the Great Messiah and the great legislator,
implying the law?  Couldn't a judgment day indeed be possible?  And, its warning to all of mankind?
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Global Doom on October 29, 2018, 07:22:09 PM
C5-79

This is Gettysburg.. This Quatrain is dated to the battle even though the Gettysburg Address was given November,and the battle was July

Take my word for it...I do know how he dated everything....this is one of my favorite ones!


It is Lincoln giving the Gettysburg Address,and i can prove it!

Although Lincoln would be in a missing volume 11 or 12? he is in the book 3 times that i know of..His death date,Andrew Johnson's Quatrain and this one.


When I tell everybody how the dating works?...there will be no more guessing!
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on October 29, 2018, 07:34:57 PM
Hey Global Yes I've heard that interpretation before but it doesn't state - the pomp and splendor - as it could refer to the South,
it states - sacred.  That to me implies a religious group like the Vatican.  Secondly, it doesn't state the likes of Lincoln will appear - again.  
Also, one of the things that could have happened is - Nostradamus was such an outstanding prophet, he could have referred to two different events
at the same time.  I've also noticed that as well.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Global Doom on October 29, 2018, 07:50:42 PM
Hey Global Yes I've heard that interpretation before but it doesn't state - the pomp and splendor - as it could refer to the South,
it states - sacred.  That to me implies a religious group like the Vatican.  Secondly, it doesn't state the likes of Lincoln will appear - again.  
Also, one of the things that could have happened is - Nostradamus was such an outstanding prophet, he could have referred to two different events
at the same time.  I've also noticed that as well.


The dating tells more of the story...He did the same kinda thing with harry truman,and g w bush which i have already posted(and others..events make the people)..While this is dated to the battle?..the speech is still part of that story...Your post gave me an idea to look and see if Nostradamus put a Quatrain in about himself...HE DID!  that confirms everything I know about the dates!
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on December 24, 2018, 03:02:42 PM
Listen ... Do you want to know a secret?

C2 Q 27

The divine voice will be struck by heaven
And he will not be able to proceed further.
The secret hidden in the revelation
So that people will be walking over and ahead.


I don't know about you, but when I read the above quatrain the first person I thought of was Nostradamus, himself.  
He was a prophet and he knew it, so when he said he was the - divine voice - he was not saying that he was divine but rather,
he was predicting there will be an event which involves the divine.  So let's look at this quatrain in order but without the third line.

The divine voice will be struck by heaven and he will not be able to proceed further.
People will walk over him and ahead.  (As in - walk over and ahead of his grave?)

So, if Nostradamus was speaking about himself  then, isn't he saying that a) he predicted an event regarding God
and b) he will die, so what he saw will not take place in his lifetime?

So, in one way, the secret regarding God which was hidden in - his - revelation will stay with him when he dies
and/or, the secret hidden in the revalation is referring to the future event as it concerns God?

The secret hidden in the revelation.

Is it possible he could have been speaking about the Third Secret of Fatima and how it will be revealed
in the prophecy regarding The Lady clothed with the Sun,  as it is stated in the Book of Revelation?  

The secret hidden in - his - revelation or vision will stay with him when he dies and he will be not able to proceed with it.

The Third Secret of Fatima will be revealed as it takes place in, Revelation?


To me it fits my conjectures.

BTW - I just noticed something.  The event regarding Mother Mary over the skies of Quebec City
does involve a striking of Satan in the back of the head, does it not?  You know.  The Lady clothed with the Sun
in the Book of Revelation?  Take a gander at the first line.   Do you think the phrase - struck by heaven -
was an accident?  
  
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on December 26, 2018, 09:29:56 AM
And speaking of a sequence of quatrains which ends in a secret being revealed, look at the following.

C4 Q28

When Venus will be covered by the Sun
Under the splendor a hidden form.
Mercury will have exposed them to the fire.
Through warlike noise it will be insulated.

Already analyzed.

Venus was a stand in for Mother Mary clothed with the sun.
The hidden form - Satan.
Mercury, not only the messenger of the gods but also the god of boundaries.
Mercury, the planet, also the ruling planet for Virgo - the Lady.
A sizeable number of people will have a downfall with Satan and will be going to him in time.
Satan (it) will not be destroyed - hence the last line.  Defeated - yes  but not destroyed as per, Hemmingway.

C4 Q29

The sun eclipsed by Mercury
Will be put only second in the sky.
Of Vulcan Hermes will be made for food.
The Sun will be seen pure, glowing, red and golden.

Already analyzed.

Mercury the ruling planet for Virgo - the lady.
The lady will shine brighter than the sun - the Lady clothed with the Sun - as in the Book of Revelation.
Vulcan the god of fire - them - in the previous quatrain - will be going to Hell.  Most likely on July 13 on the very day Lucy of Fatima
was given the three visions, one of them, by the way, was a vision of Hell.
It comes with a warning to mankind - food for thought.  Do not let that - ###%^&!! - rise again.
The Sun will appear as stated in the fourth line after the event.

C4 Q 30.

Eleven times more the Moon will not want the Sun.
Both raised and lessened by degrees.
And put so low one will stitch little gold.
After famine plague, the secret will be revealed.
  
Not analyzed as of yet.

Eleven times more, could be referring to, Lucy of Fatima's death, on February 13, 2005.
In the sign of Aquarius, no less.  The new Age which will begin with the event mentioned.
It should be remembered Nostradamus stated that very date in a previous quatrain I already analyzed.
Eleven complete years must pass and sometime shortly after - the event in Revelation will take place.
Mother Mary im the foreground, God is behind the event.  Hence the Sun - God - will be lowered by degrees.
Mother Mary - the Lady - in the foreground will be raised by degrees.  Both entities are connected.  

Put so low, one will stitch little gold.  
Yup.  Combining the events of Fatima with the Lady of the Sun in Revelation and with Nostradamus.
The odds would have been tremendously against anyone seeing it - hence - put so low one will stitch little gold.

After famine and plague - standard events in the quatrains -  The secret will be revealed.  As in - the Third Secret of Fatima?
It was not gibberish or a let down as the Vatican claimed - it did have a meaning that will be revealed.
Hence another play on words - revealed - as in a prophecy in Revelation will come about.  As in the events of Fatima.
As in, located in the quatrains of, Nostradamus.


Btw - again.  Go to Wikipedia and read the Third Seret of Fatima - if you haven't already done it.
Notice that it is in sections?  Mother Mary is NOT on the planet earth but looking down upon it.
She then prevents a great chastisment from happening to the world.  So, if She did?  Why does it appear in the second section
that one took place.  Why?  Because in between the sections mankind saw the event of the Lady clothed with the Sun booting
Satan in the back of the head and mankind was warned Not to let him rise again  Prophecy or warning?  I believe it was the latter.
Choose your path mankind.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on December 28, 2018, 05:51:53 AM
Want to check out variations of a single quatrain and see how it or they, could fit my conjectures?
But, of course, there has to be a, lead in.

Way back in my university days one of the subjects I took was early American Lit and, of course, the poet. Walt Whitman
and his book, Leaves Of Grass, was part of the subject matter.  Well, several editions of that book appears in different ways
and the cause was none other than, Walt Whitman, himself.  In other words he would improvise with what appeared in the previous
book so the next edition would appear differently.  Well, I and some Nostradamus scholars believe he did the same thing.
Yes - there could have been problems when one language was translated into another like French to English as it concerns Nostradamus
and yes - the differences with 16th century French as opposed to modern French may have cause problems with the translations
and yes - editors could have made a mistake..  But there does seem at times it was caused by the prophet himself.
So, take a gander at four quatrains which were supposedly the same one.  Pleas note, the verse in question appears in Century 3,
Quatrain 94 and also please note they will be numbered randomly from 1- 4.


1.  For 500 years more they will take notice of him
     Who was the ornament of his time.  Then suddenly
     A great revelation will be made which will make
     The people of that century well pleased.
  
2.  For 500 years more, held in suspense
     The one who was an ornament of his time.
     Then suddenly a great burst of enlightenment will occur
     That for a time, will render to me, great contentment.

3.   For 500 years more they will hold him in esteem
      The one who shone as the ornament of his time.
      Then a great burst of enlightenment will occur
      Which will render (to me) great contentment.

4.    For more than 500 years they will keep count of him.
       Who was the ornament of his time.
       Then suddenly a great light will he give.
       He for this century will render them very satisfied.  

Now, let's look at this or these quatrains.  First of all, I find it hard to believe there could have been a mistake in
translation esp given the last line and the wide variation which appears.  They do seem. to me, that the differences did
stem from Nostradamus' own hand.  Now, let's go in deeper.


1.  Doesn't the opening phrase remind you of a quatrain which I just analyzed/  You know ... the one which began with the phrase
- Eleven times more - and ended with a secret being revealed?  How I determined it could fit Our Lady of Fatima being the Lady clothed
with the Sun?   Now, look at how the latest verse starts out.  For 500 years more  - and please note the opening which differs almost says
the same thing.  For more than 500 years.  He could have been speaking of the same event.  Now, where does the 500 years fit?

2.  Nostradamus was born in 1503 and since most of the century was still ahead of him then counting from the 1500's by centuries
that would have the fifth century ending in 2001 or 2004, would it not?  Of course, if he was referring to himself then the descriptive terms
have to fit him.  Wasn't he the ornament of his time?  Predicting future events which would happen in time?  Wasn't he held and still held
in esteem by a group of people?  Aren't the people who hold him in esteem in suspense, expecting more predictions he made to come to pass?

3.  Now, look at what he is predicting and if it isn't a monumental event concerning mankind then, I don't know what is.
A sudden burst of enlightenment?  A great light?  A great revelation from the Book of Revelation?  Well, if the event I'm predicting does take
place then it would fit in perfectly.  Now, let's look at the ending.


4.  There seem to be two different trains of thought as it comes to the closing line.

One - that mankind will seem happy with the event as in - The people of that century will be well pleased

Two - Nostradamus seems to be happy with with what he sees in his vision ... for a while.  That for this century will render - to me - great contentment.

Well, dealing with the first - Nostradamus did have a sarcastic streak in him, so if the event which proves that God exists
will make mankind well pleased is something that has to be seen.  Of course, if my conjectures prove to be true.

As for the second -  Well Nostradamus does seem to be happy for a while.  Of course if it is the Age of Aquarius
which will begiin with the same said event does happen.  A very positive time for all humanity.  Will it hold all the way through
to the real end of days?  Who knows?  People are people, after all.  Last comment.

5.  So who is or are the males or male figures in the last two lines of the fourth version presented?  
As in -
  
Then suddenly a great light will he give.
He for this century will render them very satiffied.

I don't know.  It reminds me of - the secret hidden in the revelation line - on the previous page.
Is Nostradamus referring to himself and he will not be able to proceed further or God?

I think it's the latter.

  
  
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on December 29, 2018, 09:22:49 AM
BTW and this is a continuation of the previous page.
As you may have guessed, I found a few more variations of the said quatrain
and there's one which stands out as for the timing of the event I'm predicting.
Take a look.

C3 Q94

For 500 years more one will count.
He who was the ornament of his time.
Then suddenly great clarity is given.
Throughout the century the very suppressed returns.

So, if - 500 years more - is a count from Nostradamus and he was indeed, the ornament of his time
and - Eleven time more - refers to a counting from the the most recent event concerning Fatima which is, February 13, 2005
as in the day, Lucy of Fatima, died, then ...  is there another indicator of the - when - for the event I'm predicting in the quatrain above?  
I think so.  In fact, it was in the news.  Source - BREITBART

For the first time in history there are more Jews living in Isreal than America, making the Jewish state the home
of the largest Jewish population in the world.  As in - Throughout the century the very suppressed returns?

Nothing much, just a prophecy from the Old Testament taking place which had to happen before the Messiah comes but then ...
Maybe there will be an event regarding a Lady and a warning which will precedes that?  Come to think of it, the Jews have
a tradition that Satan must have a downfall a) before the Messiah comes a/o b) before the Thrid Temple for the Messiah is built.
Interesting.  Of course, if Satan did have a downfall and a sizeable number of people had a downfall with him and the marked
will be judged by God before the world then maybe ... just maybe, mankind could change?  Think about it.

Incidentally, if Satan did have a downfall from Mother Mary and he was the only victim and billions of people - scratching themselve - saw it on
TV or whatever, what do you think most would say?  Well, Satan got his, all right.  It has nothing to do with us.  Of course, if a sizeable number
of people has a downfall with him and they faced God in judgment before the world.  Uh, yeah.  One could assume the message was for all
mankind.  Yes?

And speaking of - us.  You do remember I analyzed the following quatrain.


C 3 Q46

The sky (of Plancus city) forebodes to us
Through clear signs and fixed stars.
That the time of sudden change is approaching.
Neither for its good, nor for its evil.

Yeah, you remember.  Plancus founded Lyons.  The new city for the Roman Empire.
45 degrees.  A stand in for Quebec City, the new city to France.  The event of the Lady clothed with the Sun
booting Satan in the head in the sky.  His downfall and a sizeable number of people having a downfall with him.
Neither for Quebec City's good or for its evil.  It wll be the ground zero for the New Age to begin.  And, oh yes the
suddeness of it all.  Like?   Well ...

Like ... suddenly great clarity is given
Like ... then suddenly a great burst of enlightenment will occur
Like ... then suddenly a great revelation will be made.
Like ... then suddenly a great light he will give.  Maybe, He?

They do rather match the line in the last quatran, does it not?

That the time of sudden change is approaching.

Now, so far we have a sudden event which will take place in the sky over a particular city
which will come with a warning - as in - forebodes to us (mankind) - and an event which  will
cause a change - as in - the beginning of a New Age?  We also have a sudden event which will bring
great clarity to mankind.  A great enlightenment, or be, a great revelation for mankind.  Like maybe an event
as predicted in the, Book of Revelation?  Any other sudden events which fits my conjectures?  Well take a gander.

C 10 Q 79

Sudden joy to sudden sadness.
It will occur in Rome for the graces embraced.
Grief, cries, tears, weeping, blood, excellent mirth.
Contrary bands surprised and trussed up.

First, of all, this quatrain to me - like some others which I analyzed - seems disjointed.  Or, a better way
to put it has to have the lines put in some type of order.  Here's the way I see it.

First line -  Sudden joy to sudden sadness.  So, what are the effects of the sudden joy and sudden sadness?

Well, that's in the third line NOT. the second.  Here's the way the sequence would have been maintained.

Sudden joy to sudden sadness.
Grief, cries, tears, weeping, blood, excellent mirth.

Now look at at.  Where's the sudden joy for some people, but with the - excellent mirth.
Where is the sudden sadness for some people but with the - grief, cries, tears, weeping, blood.
Gees, if this was a sudden event stemming from God, you'd almost get the impression that some people,
perhaps, a sizeable number people, will be having a judgment day before the world.  Again, grief, cries, tears, weeping,
blood.  Yes?

Now let's look at the two remaining lines and see if there is a logic there.

It will occur in Rome for the graces embraced.
Contrary bands, surprised and trussed up.

Well, if the event I'm predicting is connected to the events from, Fatima, in 1917.
That the Lady clothed with the Sun will be, Our Lady of Fatima then ... Well, shouldn't the first religious
organization to be commenting on the event, be the, Vatican?  The Vatican in Rome, no less?  
And?  Well, how wrong they were regarding, Fatima and the Third Secret therein?  As in - the graces embraced.  
Their opinion?   Their official pronouncemnet on the subject?  How the Third Secret of Fatima, was,  politely put, a let down.  
And, now for the last line.

The contrary bands surprised, trussed up.

Well, I guess the bands of people who disagreed with the Vatican's official version will be happy to say the least.  
Lifted?  I know I'll be sleeping better.  And?


C 5 Q 65

Come suddenly the terror will be great
Hidden by the principal ones of the affair.
And the lady on the charcoal will no longer be in sight
Then little by little the great ones will be angered.

Already analyzed, so I'll keep it short.

Hidden by the principal ones of the affair.
So, there is a group of people who were hidden, which kept this affair from being in the public's eye.  
Now, who do you think whould have that much power to do so?  I already told you, way back when.

Then suddenly, great terror will come.  
And against?  Well, all the individuals who were in this affair including the principal ones who hid it.  Correct?

The lady on the charcoal will no lomger be in sight.  
Of course, if She was no longer in sight then, at one time, She must have been in sight.  Do you think it could
have been Mother Mary and She brought about the sudden terror to the aforementioned group?  And?  Well, if She
is last seen walking on charcoal then, somehow some way, there had to be a fiery end to something.  Think about it.  And?

Little by little, the great ones will be angered.  
I don't know, if the world will demand verification from the Normans after this event over the New City then,
couldn't the great ones here be reps of the Canadian government?  Angered because they have to do it?  Angered when
they see who was involved in this affair?  Like maybe members of the Micky Mouse Club?  Inside joke.


Off Topic ... May you and yours have a Happy New ... Well, since I don't if I'm right about my theory ... Year.





    
 



Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on January 27, 2019, 04:53:13 PM
Well, since I just presented some variations of the same quatrain and how there was a divine voice or a voice
(like from Nostradamus) speaking of a divine event to come, check out the following ,,,, and, yes, there are two slightly
differing variations of the said verse.

C4 Q24

The soft voice of the sacred friend is heard under holy ground.
The human flame shines for the divine voice.
It will cause the earth to be stained with the blood of the celibate monks.
And to destroy the sacred (or false) temples of the impure ones.

C4 Q24

Beneath the holy earth of a soul the faint voice is heard.
Human flame seen to shine for the divine.
It will cause the earth to be stained with the blood of monks
And to destroy the holy temples of the impure ones.


Is it that hard to see, Nostradamus, was speaking of himself, dead and buried and his prediction was heard
or - interpreted - and it came to pass?  A prediction regarding God whereby statues s of monks will bleed, perhaps, all over the world?  
If not, certainly in, Lyons and Quebec City?  And how God will blindside everyone, including all the major religions.  Some more so than others?

The world will be shaken, in more ways than one.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on April 27, 2019, 09:34:04 AM
If you look at my predictions as based on the works of Nostradamus you will see how certain words or phrases keep popping up.
There will be an event taking place over the New City and that New City will have been - a walled city.  Quebec City.
The event will concern the Lady clothed with the sun and that Lady will be Mother Mary, the same Mother Mary who was with us -
in ancient times.  The same Mother Mary who is in Heaven or - a very high place.
That event will tie in with with the events of Fatima which took place in 1917 and Satan will have - a downfall - while he meets
Mother Mary in the sky and it will look - lightning - as stated by Jesus Himself in the New Testament.  A number of people will have a downfall with Satan both the wicked and the innocents will die and a New Age, the Age of Aquarius will begin ... with the strongest warning possible from God.   Let's continue.

Several days ago on April 15, the Church of Notre Dame was on fire.  It made the news worldwide and like I thought, many people were searching the quatrains to see if Nostradamus could have predicted it.  All, including, a fellow member of this Forum presented the same quatrain.  Century 2, Quatrain 51.  And?  Well, here are a few of most common translations and I will be presenting the first two lines of each and then - later on - the last two lines of each.  Let's start and please note the possible Notre Dame incident is in the last sections.
 
The blood of the just will be demanded in London
Burnt by fire n 66.

The blood of the just will commit a fault at London
Burnt through (by) lightning of twenty threes the six.

Well, I don't know of any researcher who doesn't believe the prediction at hand concerned the great fire of London which took place
in 1666.  I agree.  We have London mentioned by name and the exact year.  What I  discovered the other day, was. London was a walled city and a number of innocent people paid with their lives for being accused of starting the fire.  These were Catholics and/or Catholics of Dutch descent.   So what do we have here?  A walled city with an event which caused the deaths of innocent people and ...
Well, there is the lightning, is there not, except there is no historical evidence that lightning was the cause of the great fire.  Anything else?  Well, the last three numbers of the event could have a connection with the Anti-someone who connects to who?
So ... walled city ... deaths of the innocents ... a connection to Satan and ... lightning.  So where is the Lady?

The ancient lady (dame) will fall from her high place
Several of the sect will be killed.

The ancient lady (dame) shall fall from her high place
Of the same sect many shall be killed.

The ancient lady (dame) will fall from her high place
And many of the same sect will be killed.

The ancient city (dame) will seek to be a better place
Many of the same (suspected) sect will be killed.

Please note for the above ... dame .. in the lifetime of Nostradamus could be translated as - city -
as well as - lady.

So, could have Nostradamus have predicted the Great Fire of London as well as the fire to the Church of Notre Dame one of the most identifiable symbols for the Catholic faith ... falling from her great height?  Yes - fire and the rebuilding of London and the future rebuilding of the same Church, being common to both.  If you also want to add to the last prophecy as in, many of the same sect will be killed, check out the the Quatrain section and see how I responded to GlobalDoom's question.. It happened.  The Sri Lanka massacre
when many Catholics were killed does fit.  Now, if Nostradamus could have predicted two future events is it possible he could have embedded anther one in the same said quatrain.  Well, let's look at it with some minor changes.  Instead of the lady having a fall,
just read the following with her causing one.

The blood of the just will be demanded in London
Burnt by lightning of twenty threes and six.
The ancient lady from a high place will cause a fall
And many of the same sect will be killed.

We do have a walled city.  We do have the deaths of the innocents. 
We do have a connection to Satan and lightning. 
We do have a lady from ancient times and is now in a high place.
We do have a fall from a high place and ...
Many of the same sect will be killed  as in ... the deaths of those with Satan who committed
the most grievous sins ... will die.

By the way ... If you translate, Notre Dame, and, Nostradamus, for that matter, into English, it does mean - Our Lady.
Perhaps, as I've been predicting, it refers to, Our Lady of Fatima, as it concerns a walled city, a downfall, etc.
So why would Nostradamus focus on a fire?  The great fire of London in 1666 and the Church of Notre Dame burning in 2019?
I don't know ... maybe it refers to the Third Secret of Fatima which I interpreted?  There is a fiery sword therein which was aimed at
the earth by an Angel, was there not?  And Mother Mary did quell the flames?  Go back a few pages and read what I wrote.  To me it
fits perfectly.  Maybe, just maybe, the burning of Notre Dame was the last newsworthy event regarding the Christian faith which
had  to take place, before the major one which will shake the world?














Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Global Doom on April 27, 2019, 01:09:30 PM
If you look at my predictions as based on the works of Nostradamus you will see how certain words or phrases keep popping up.
There will be an event taking place over the New City and that New City will have been - a walled city.  Quebec City.
The event will concern the Lady clothed with the sun and that Lady will be Mother Mary, the same Mother Mary who was with us -
in ancient times.  The same Mother Mary who is in Heaven or - a very high place.
That event will tie in with with the events of Fatima which took place in 1917 and Satan will have - a downfall - while he meets
Mother Mary in the sky and it will look - lightning - as stated by Jesus Himself in the New Testament.  A number of people will have a downfall with Satan both the wicked and the innocents will die and a New Age, the Age of Aquarius will begin ... with the strongest warning possible from God.   Let's continue.

Several days ago on April 15, the Church of Notre Dame was on fire.  It made the news worldwide and like I thought, many people were searching the quatrains to see if Nostradamus could have predicted it.  All, including, a fellow member of this Forum presented the same quatrain.  Century 2, Quatrain 51.  And?  Well, here are a few of most common translations and I will be presenting the first two lines of each and then - later on - the last two lines of each.  Let's start and please note the possible Notre Dame incident is in the last sections.
 
The blood of the just will be demanded in London
Burnt by fire n 66.

The blood of the just will commit a fault at London
Burnt through (by) lightning of twenty threes the six.

Well, I don't know of any researcher who doesn't believe the prediction at hand concerned the great fire of London which took place
in 1666.  I agree.  We have London mentioned by name and the exact year.  What I  discovered the other day, was. London was a walled city and a number of innocent people paid with their lives for being accused of starting the fire.  These were Catholics and/or Catholics of Dutch descent.   So what do we have here?  A walled city with an event which caused the deaths of innocent people and ...
Well, there is the lightning, is there not, except there is no historical evidence that lightning was the cause of the great fire.  Anything else?  Well, the last three numbers of the event could have a connection with the Anti-someone who connects to who?
So ... walled city ... deaths of the innocents ... a connection to Satan and ... lightning.  So where is the Lady?

The ancient lady (dame) will fall from her high place
Several of the sect will be killed.

The ancient lady (dame) shall fall from her high place
Of the same sect many shall be killed.

The ancient lady (dame) will fall from her high place
And many of the same sect will be killed.

The ancient city (dame) will seek to be a better place
Many of the same (suspected) sect will be killed.

Please note for the above ... dame .. in the lifetime of Nostradamus could be translated as - city -
as well as - lady.

So, could have Nostradamus have predicted the Great Fire of London as well as the fire to the Church of Notre Dame one of the most identifiable symbols for the Catholic faith ... falling from her great height?  Yes - fire and the rebuilding of London and the future rebuilding of the same Church, being common to both.  If you also want to add to the last prophecy as in, many of the same sect will be killed, check out the the Quatrain section and see how I responded to GlobalDoom's question.. It happened.  The Sri Lanka massacre
when many Catholics were killed does fit.  Of course,  Nostradamus could have predicted another event on top of the two which could have come to pass.  Correct?

Maybe, the ancient Lady from a high place may - cause a downfall - of an entity in the skies above a walled city   ..

To be continued


Raymond you need a copy  of his original text in 2-51, some newer TRANSLATIONS say LADY,but the original text says "DAME"...this is what that line says
"La Dame antique cherra de place haute"   i pretty much use henry c roberts translations  from 1948,and to his credit?..he put DAME instead of LADY.
you might also check 2-35  which i thought was notre dame before i realized 2-51 mentioned both fires....i believe 2-51 he is saying same astrological date for both,
but that 2-35 is the notre dame quatrain stand alone...i have an advantage of knowing how he dated quatrains.
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Raymond Sayle on April 27, 2019, 01:21:52 PM
If you look at my predictions as based on the works of Nostradamus you will see how certain words or phrases keep popping up.
There will be an event taking place over the New City and that New City will have been - a walled city.  Quebec City.
The event will concern the Lady clothed with the sun and that Lady will be Mother Mary, the same Mother Mary who was with us -
in ancient times.  The same Mother Mary who is in Heaven or - a very high place.
That event will tie in with with the events of Fatima which took place in 1917 and Satan will have - a downfall - while he meets
Mother Mary in the sky and it will look - lightning - as stated by Jesus Himself in the New Testament.  A number of people will have a downfall with Satan both the wicked and the innocents will die and a New Age, the Age of Aquarius will begin ... with the strongest warning possible from God.   Let's continue.

Several days ago on April 15, the Church of Notre Dame was on fire.  It made the news worldwide and like I thought, many people were searching the quatrains to see if Nostradamus could have predicted it.  All, including, a fellow member of this Forum presented the same quatrain.  Century 2, Quatrain 51.  And?  Well, here are a few of most common translations and I will be presenting the first two lines of each and then - later on - the last two lines of each.  Let's start and please note the possible Notre Dame incident is in the last sections.
 
The blood of the just will be demanded in London
Burnt by fire n 66.

The blood of the just will commit a fault at London
Burnt through (by) lightning of twenty threes the six.

Well, I don't know of any researcher who doesn't believe the prediction at hand concerned the great fire of London which took place
in 1666.  I agree.  We have London mentioned by name and the exact year.  What I  discovered the other day, was. London was a walled city and a number of innocent people paid with their lives for being accused of starting the fire.  These were Catholics and/or Catholics of Dutch descent.   So what do we have here?  A walled city with an event which caused the deaths of innocent people and ...
Well, there is the lightning, is there not, except there is no historical evidence that lightning was the cause of the great fire.  Anything else?  Well, the last three numbers of the event could have a connection with the Anti-someone who connects to who?
So ... walled city ... deaths of the innocents ... a connection to Satan and ... lightning.  So where is the Lady?

The ancient lady (dame) will fall from her high place
Several of the sect will be killed.

The ancient lady (dame) shall fall from her high place
Of the same sect many shall be killed.

The ancient lady (dame) will fall from her high place
And many of the same sect will be killed.

The ancient city (dame) will seek to be a better place
Many of the same (suspected) sect will be killed.

Please note for the above ... dame .. in the lifetime of Nostradamus could be translated as - city -
as well as - lady.

So, could have Nostradamus have predicted the Great Fire of London as well as the fire to the Church of Notre Dame one of the most identifiable symbols for the Catholic faith ... falling from her great height?  Yes - fire and the rebuilding of London and the future rebuilding of the same Church, being common to both.  If you also want to add to the last prophecy as in, many of the same sect will be killed, check out the the Quatrain section and see how I responded to GlobalDoom's question.. It happened.  The Sri Lanka massacre
when many Catholics were killed does fit.  Of course,  Nostradamus could have predicted another event on top of the two which could have come to pass.  Correct?

Maybe, the ancient Lady from a high place may - cause a downfall - of an entity in the skies above a walled city   ..

To be continued


Raymond you need a copy  of his original text in 2-51, some newer TRANSLATIONS say LADY,but the original text says "DAME"...this is what that line says
"La Dame antique cherra de place haute"   i pretty much use henry c roberts translations  from 1948,and to his credit?..he put DAME instead of LADY.
you might also check 2-35  which i thought was notre dame before i realized 2-51 mentioned both fires....i believe 2-51 he is saying same astrological date for both,
but that 2-35 is the notre dame quatrain stand alone...i have an advantage of knowing how he dated quatrains.

Thx for the info Global. 
Title: Re: Right or wrong, I've made my prediction and I'm sticking to it.
Post by: Global Doom on April 27, 2019, 04:15:48 PM
You also have to be aware of the double quatrains and the double mirror quatrains for example
3-58 and 3-85 is the invasion of France by the NAZI's part 1 talks about Hitler,and his fate,part 2 talks about Rommel and his fate
another possible mirror is an attack on the USA 2-46 and 2-64 part 1 says how,and part 2 says where,and what happens after

Here we have possible Notre Dame fire 2-35 which may be part 1,and if you look at 2-53 part 2..he is saying plague,which can only be the Muslims
and the reason i think mirror is because the last line mentions the DAME again...I'm going to read the last line as a hint the fire was not an accident!