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Title: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 13, 2011, 06:39:27 PM
Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor - VI.70

Of Trojan blood he will be born with a German heart
and will rise to a very great power.
He will drive out the foreign, Arabic nation
and return the Church to her early glory - V.74

Selin king, Italy peaceful, kingdoms
united by the Christian King of the World.
When he dies he will want to lie in Blois territory,
having chased the pirates from the sea - IV.77

The great man led captive from a foreign land,
chained in gold, offered to King CHYREN.
He who in Ausonia, Milan will lose the war
and all his army put to fire and sword - IV.34

The king of Europe will come like a griffon,
accompanied by those of the North;
he will lead a great troop of red and white,
they will go against the king of Babylon - X.80
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 13, 2011, 06:45:15 PM
http://ww-iii.tripod.com

Within what I call the "Standard Picture" of events (we anticipate) there is a man who is labeled "Chiren" or "Chyren" that leads the forces of the West to victory over the Eastern forces including the Muslims.  

All we know is that "someone" shows up AFTER the war has started and assumes this role.  Aside from some general background descriptions (German Heart, Trojan Blood, etc) we know little about who he is.

In many ways Chiren is more important than Mabus who might just be associated with an event around the time of the beginning of the war.  

Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 13, 2011, 06:47:04 PM
Hindu perspectives on Chiren:

Go here:

http://ww-iii.tripod.com/hindu.htm

A sample from the link:

Thus, the wars of Kalki came to an end with a defeat and a peace treaty that ended the WW-III. III[14] describes that after the war, Kalki handed over various portions of his liberated lands to various kings who were his allies and Satya Yuga (Age of Truth) was established on the Earth. Kalki himself stayed in Shambhala with his two wives, Padma and Roma. Finaly, III[19] describes the death of Kalki and his ascension to the heaven.

VIII.54 of Nostradamus also describes a marriage treaty by Chiren Selin, the equivalent of Kalki -

Under the colour of the marriage treaty,
a magnanimous act by the 'Chyren Selin' :
St. Quintin and Arras recovered on the journey;
By the Spanish a second butcher's bench is made. - VIII.54

Even though Kalki is considered as the God incarnate, his human qualities have been highlighted all through the text. He had his share of losses in battles and ups and downs, which are consistent with any war in the modern times where the warring forces are equally matched and possess weapons of mass destruction. Chyren, described by Nostradamus seems to have lost in some battles too :

The great man led captive from a foreign land,
chained in gold, offered to King CHYREN :
He who in Ausonia, Milan, will lose the war
and all his army put to fire and sword. Nostradamus, IV.34

But the fact that Kalki is a good strategist and an excellent negotiator is quite apparent from the texts as well as the fact that he has some qualities which make him the undisputed leader of the allied forces even though he is initially not even the "King" of his own country. At the most, he is a high ranking Army officer with some very exceptional qualities, whose stature only grows as events unfold, such that he is unanimously accepted as the "King of the World" and as a Messiah by all religions.


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Basically the "Standard Picture" (as I call it) website supports prophecies from multiple sources including Hindu.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: jako on January 17, 2011, 05:42:24 AM

This is the second Quatrain referring to  Chyren
Century 6- 27.
Dedans les isles de cinq fleuues à vn,
Par le croissant du grand Chyren Selin :
Par les bruynes de l'air fureur de l'vn,
Six eschappez, cachez fardeaux de lyn.
Within the Isles of five rivers to one, Through the expansion of the great 'Chyren Selin': Through the drizzles in the air the fury of one, Six escaped, hidden bundles of flax.
http://www.prophet666.com/2010/02/nostradamus-war-in-punjab.html
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 18, 2011, 02:51:16 PM
Century 6 - Quatrain 27

Within the Isles of five rivers to one,
Through the expansion of the great "Chyren Selin":
Through the drizzles in the air the fury of one,
Six escaped, hidden bundles of flax.

I just don't know.  Where are the "Isles of five rivers"?

Seems to me that the place has to be identified first without resorting to bizarre tangents.   There is a quatrain that talks about the "two rivers" which in context means Iraq. (Mesopotamia)  I'm sure that there is some place in Europe that Nostradamus would have known about where five rivers are all converging in one area.  Possibly an area like Holland because they have all those dikes that move water around.

Where do five rivers converge into one exit point?

Chiren is likely the correct person identified here.  Selin means "Wind-still" so maybe there is some connection to the ancient use of windmills in Holland? (unlikely)  However, it's probably more of a character meaning so the "stillness" probably refers to the stubburn nature of Chiren.  He has been described elsewhere as a focused personality.  (so it might have been added as a character association)

It might be a "verb" and not a "noun" in context.

So one might say:

"Stubburn Leader"

"Stubburn King"

"Selin King"

"Selin Chiren"

"Selin Chyren"

"Chyren Selin"

I've never seen much work done on trying to understand this one.

Why do I get the feeling you are going to say that Nostradamus was talking about some place in India?

(we all tend to want to think our own world was important in the mind of Nostradamus even when it probably was not)
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 18, 2011, 03:33:23 PM
Sheffield England?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Sheffield

"Sheffield is the most geographically diverse city in England[1]. The city nestles in a natural amphitheatre created by a number of hills and the confluence of five rivers: Don, Sheaf, Rivelin, Loxley and Porter. As such, much of the city is built on hillsides, with views into the city centre or out to the countryside. The city is roughly one third urban, one third rural and one third in the Peak District. At its lowest point the city stands just 29 metres above sea level at Blackburn Meadows on the Rotherham border, rising up to over 500 m in some parts of the city to a peak of 548m at High Stones on the Derbyshire border. However, 89% of the housing in the city is between 100 and 200 metres above sea level."

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Thinking of the Quatrain:

"Through the drizzles in the air the fury of one,"

...this part of England fits the description of a place with constant drizzle.  It's a very moist land and near sea level.  The "fury" is likely the forces following Chiren's command that are hunting down Muslim terrorists.  "Fury of one" would then refer to the forceful direction of Chiren himself.

Nostradamus would likely have known about places in England.

"Isles" is a common term used in England as well which is likely another clue.  (British Isles)

Isle means "An island, especially a small one".   England is an island nation.


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In Summary...  I'd guess that Chiren leads Western forces into England in WWIII and six important Muslim terrorists somehow find a way to elude Chiren by hiding in some "bundles of flax" whatever that might be.

So Nostradamus is talking about Muslims that get away despite the best efforts of the Western forces to catch them.  (sort of like how Osama Bin Laden got away at Tora Bora in Afghanistan)

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The quatrain will only make sense in the middle of WWIII when Chiren is in the process of trying to round up all the Muslim terrorists in England. (so it has almost no relevance to our own time)  People will likely NEVER figure this out before it happens!!!!  But once it does happen it will be easy to realize that it did happen.

So we wait for six Muslim terrorists to be chased by Chiren in Sheffield England during WWIII. (but they escape)
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 18, 2011, 07:12:03 PM
Who is he? Sarkozy?
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Ecosse on January 22, 2011, 12:56:11 AM
Sarkozy and the rest of the western leaders have more in common with the Wiemar Republic, their time is up
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 22, 2011, 11:06:28 AM
Not if you believe that Nostradamus predicts the future.

In Nostradamus it is Sarkozy (Chiren) and the Western forces that defeat (or ally with) the Eastern forces of Russia, China and the terrorist Muslims.  (however it might not actually be Sarkozy but instead someone else)

Maybe Nostradamus is full of crap and things don't go this way, but if you are honest with the propechies you have a hard time arriving at any other conclusion.

This isn't to say that WWIII is a lot of fun.  America and Russia nearly wipe each other off the map with nuclear weapons and Europe is devastated too, but in the end Chiren is given the "sole title of victor" over all.  

The Muslim terrorists lose.

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor - VI.70

Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Ecosse on January 23, 2011, 02:55:09 PM
If a force is strong enough to go through Europe and hold it for 14 years Sarkozy must be a very lucky chap to live that long.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 23, 2011, 03:30:57 PM
It's not clear that the radical Muslims actually "hold" Europe, but instead aren't simply "terrorizing" Europe all that time.  Given the description of Chiren chasing down and then putting in prison the radical Muslims I tend to think it's a case where chaos rules.

I would be VERY DOUBTFUL that 10% or less of the population of Europe (the Muslims) can actually dominate and control the full population.

But terrorism can in effect "seem like" they are in control.  Look at Iraq or Afghanistan, they have dealt with a tiny percentage of disciplined radical Muslims that were able to frustrate and tie up a much larger force.

Chiren will likely force changes in the laws of Europe to crack down on the Muslims that are radicalized.  The entire process could take 14 years very easily.  Throw in some nuclear blackmail and you can see how chaotic the situation could be.

America has been fighting in Afghanistan since 2002, so that's 9 years already and that's just one small country.

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An extremely small percentage of a population driven by radical ideas can create chaos for years.

Nostradamus describes a chaotic WWIII where it's difficult to know what is going on. (which matches the concept of terrorism as a warfare technique)

Don't forget that the use of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons are expected.  There is going to be so much death and destruction that basic systems will break down.  While all the basic services we are used to in modern life are failing the terrorists are just piling on top of all of this with their random destruction.  The combined effect of system failure and terrorism creates an outcome that magnifies things for the worse.

Chiren approaches the situation with a "German Heart" and stubbornly (Selin - "Still Wind") tracks down the radical Muslims and places them in prison.  He allows the Muslim children to remain free, but those radical Muslims stay in prison for life.

Eventually things settle down, but not before Chiren and the Western forces go down to the middle east and force them to accept peace.

In the end Chiren is given the sole title of victor.  (but it's a long grinding path to get there)

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As for Sarkozy...  yes...  if too much time goes by he might be too old to complete the prophecy.  However, let's not forget that Chiren dies of natural causes shortly after the end of WWIII, so he might be fairly old when it all happens.  Sarkozy was born in 1955, so let's assume he can live to see 75 years old which would get him to 2030 which is within the expectation.  Let's assume he lives two years after the end of the war so we get: 2030 - 14 - 2 = 2014 which is not unrealistic for the start of WWIII.

I guess we will see...
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Ecosse on January 23, 2011, 06:47:42 PM
From my reading it may start off as pirate ventures but as Nostradamus seems to hold the western leaders at fault for their negligence and incompetence (sounds right to me) Which govt ever held power after an invasion?
118.  Because of Gallic (French) discord and negligence, a passage
will be opened to Mohamet: The land and sea of Siena will be soaked in blood, and the Phocaean port 3 covered with sails and ships.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 24, 2011, 07:15:15 AM
All you have to do is look at Europe now with their socialist governments and their weak immigration policies and it's obvious that they have been creating an opening for trouble.

Europe will be heading towards more Austerity and stiffer immigration policies in the future, but most of the damage has already been done.

We need to remember that Chiren is there to RESTORE the traditions of Europe and bring it back to something great.  Europe at the moment is nearing rock bottom. (if not at rock bottom)

Chiren is an optimistic figure because he's sort of the opposite of anything socialistic or soft.

(Chiren is a stubborn leader with Catholic values)

Don't judge the future by present trends.

Nostradamus says things reverse.

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It's funny to think that in a social / political sense Nostradamus is actually projecting an OPTIMISTIC future because he's saying that Europe returns to it's traditions.  WWIII is terrible of course, but the people will become better people as a result of it. This is often the case when humans suffer, they become better people afterwards.

Few people recognize that Nostradamus paints an optimistic picture for Europe. (afterwards)

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All the major countries survive WWIII.  Russia survives.  America survives.  Europe survives and is victorous as a leader of the war.  Even the middle east that is beaten and battered during the war has survivors.  And in Europe the children of Muslim women are allowed freedom, so there is no new Holocaust where the Europeans put all the Muslims into ovens like they did with the Jews in WWII.  This time the minority population is treated with love.  It has a kind of happy ending.

The war eventually ends and peace returns...  but years later wars start up again.

Humanity is not wiped off the earth at any time in Nostradamus... there is no "End of the World" in his prophecies...

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What I'm writing could be dissapointing for many people who read Nostradamus in hopes of finding something awful.  Many want the world to end, or they want Jews to die or Europeans to die or Muslims to die, and there are deaths in WWIII, but no one is wiped off the face of the earth.  A lot of people just don't want to hear that things don't hit the extremes they hope for.  In a world with 6 billion people you can lose 3-5 billion and still populate the earth rather easily.  We have a massive surplus of humanity that will need to be trimmed back, but the future will continue on after.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Ecosse on January 27, 2011, 03:16:58 PM
"the king of Babylon" Now a debatable point, but on the evidence given  Babylon = USA
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 27, 2011, 04:26:49 PM
I'd say the probability of that is about 1%.

"King of Babylon" is going to mean the obvious...  some leader in the Middle East.  It might be Iran or it could be Iraq.  We know that the Muslims have internal strife (Sunni vs Shiite) and Nostradamus talks about why the Muslims in the middle east fail in the Letter to Henry:

"And all these Eastern Kings will be chased, overthrown and exterminated, but not altogether, by means of the forces of the Kings of the North, and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another."

I've seen people horribly mangle the meaning of this paragraph that doesn't seem to translate well to english.  What Nostradamus is saying that the "two brothers" (America and Russia who are the Kings of the North) along with Chiren will go after the middle east and their efforts have a significant impact, but it's the internal differences between Iraq and Iran over their creeds (Sunni vs Shiite) that ultimately defeats them from the inside.  It's also interesting that Nostradamus talks of "three secretly united in the search for death".  The "secretly united in the search for death" part is obvious...  muslims like to blow themselves up in their murder / suicide bombings in order to get to heaven.  The "three" part means that there are three creeds to consider...  Iran (Persian), Iraq, Kurds, Saudi Arabia...  it's hard to say which three dominant muslim groups emerge in the war.  I'd guess Sunni, Shiite and Kurd is the easy answer, but it could be something else.  There are also various strains of Al Qaeda and I wouldn't be surprised if a few more factions emerge.  Now Egypt is becoming destabilized, maybe there is a faction that comes from there...  I just don't know.

Not only do the Muslim terrorists lose in Europe, but the Muslim countries in the middle east are unable to sustain unity in the face of the Western onslaught.

If anyone is Muslim and wants jihad against the West they are going to HATE Nostradamus because he basically calls them the "losers" in this war.

This is why I keep reminding people how optimistic Nostradamus really is...  he's a French Catholic Jew that sees his own preferred winner at the end of WWIII. (Chiren)  Nostradamus favors the West because he comes from the Christian West.  His Jewishness seems to not be in as much conflict with Catholicism as we see things today.  Back in those times there was no Zionism and so Jews integrated themselves into whatever culture they existed within.  One wonders if Nostradamus would support or oppose Israel today...  I would suspect he would probably support the idea of a Jewish state, but I can also see him going the other way.  It's inconclusive in my mind.

Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Ecosse on January 28, 2011, 03:21:51 PM
Babylon may well have been a city in present day Iraq, but as metaphor used regularly in Nostradamus' writings is The economic center .
Bab·y·lon 2 (băbˈə-lən, -lŏnˌ)
noun

   1. A city or place of great luxury, sensuality, and often vice and corruption.
   2. A place of captivity or exile.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 28, 2011, 06:05:02 PM
No, that's radical Muslim propaganda talking.

America is not seen negatively by Nostradamus.  America is an ally of Chiren and Nostradamus loves Chiren and he loves the West.

Just forget about it...  Nostradamus is clearly pro-Western.  If you are hoping that a French Catholic Jew is going to cheer for Islam you can dream on forever, but the French at that time really hated the Muslims and it shows in Nostradamus by his point of view.

Nostradamus is an extremely "pro-Western" prophet... and a Jew.

Let's be reminded what Nostradamus wrote about WWIII in the letter to Henry:

For hereupon the principal Eastern chief will be vanquished by the Northerners and Westerners, and most of his people, stirred up, will be put to death, overwhelmed or scattered. His children, offspring of many women, will be imprisoned. Then will be accomplished the prophecy of the Royal Prophet, Let him hear the groaning of the captives, that he might deliver the children of those doomed to die.

What great oppression will then fall upon the Princes and Governors of Kingdoms, especially those which will be maritime and Eastern, whose tongues will be intermingled with all others: the tongue of the Latins, and of the Arabs, via the Phoenicians. And all these Eastern Kings will be chased, overthrown and exterminated, but not altogether, by means of the forces of the Kings of the North, and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend around the world. The sacrifice of the hole and immaculate Wafer will be sustained.

Then the Lords of “Aquilon” [the North], two in number, will be victorious over the Easterners, and so great a noise and bellicose tumult will they make amongst them that all the East will tremble in terror of these brothers, yet not brothers, of “Aquilon” [the North].

The king of Europe will come like a griffon,
accompanied by those of the North;
he will lead a great troop of red and white,
they will go against the king of Babylon - X.80


Russia and America are:

"the Kings of the North"
"the Lords of “Aquilon” [the North], two in number"
"of these brothers, yet not brothers, of “Aquilon” [the North]"
"accompanied by those of the North"

...the story is more clear than most people realize if they just read it.

Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Ecosse on January 29, 2011, 09:19:36 PM
Unfortunately it is quite easy (Bit like the Bible to find quotes that are or might be suitable, though without supporting context:

33. Then will commence a persecution of the Churches the like of which was never seen. Meanwhile, such a plague will arise that more than two thirds of the world will be removed. One will be unable to ascertain the true owners of fields and houses, and weeds growing in the streets of cities will rise higher than the knees. For the clergy there will be but utter desolation. The warlords will usurp what is returned from the City of the Sun, from Malta and the Isles of Hyères. The great chain of the port which wakes its name from the marine ox will be opened.


50.  During this astrological supputation, harmonised with the Holy Scriptures, the persecution of the Ecclesiastical folk will have its origin in the power of the Kings of "Aquilon" [the North], united with the Easterners. This persecution will last for eleven years, or somewhat less, for then the chief King of "Aquilon" will fall.

51.  Thereupon the same thing will occur in the South, where for the space of three years the Church people will be persecuted even more fiercely through the Apostatic seduction of one who will hold all the absolute power in the Church militant. The holy people of God, the observer of his law, will be persecuted fiercely and such will be their affliction that the blood of the true Ecclesiastics will flow everywhere.
52.  One of the horrible temporal Kings will be told by his adherents, as the ultimate in praise, that he has shed more of human blood of Innocent Ecclesiastics than anyone else could have spilled of wine. This King will commit incredible crimes against the Church. Human blood will flow in the public streets and temples, like water after an impetuous rain, coloring the nearby rivers red with blood. The ocean itself will be reddened by another naval battle, such that one king will say to another, Naval battles have caused the sea to blush.


Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 30, 2011, 06:41:25 AM
"During this astrological supputation, harmonised with the Holy Scriptures, the persecution of the Ecclesiastical folk will have its origin in the power of the Kings of "Aquilon" [the North], united with the Easterners. This persecution will last for eleven years, or somewhat less, for then the chief King of "Aquilon" will fall."

Russia (King of "Aquilon") begins WWIII on the side of the Muslims. (Easterners)

The leader of Russia dies.

Russia switches sides and joins Chiren against the Muslims.

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...the persecution of the Ecclesiastical folk will have its origin in the power of the Kings of "Aquilon"

When he uses the plural "Kings" he's talking about the long history of Russian leadership from Lenin, Stalin, all the way to Putin that discourages religion.  Stalin was the worst.  Persecution of the christian faith by the Russians has been a long process covering multiple "kings".

(it's easy to confuse that with the Russia / America kings of the North)

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I know for people who are new to Nostradamus it's hard to understand but that's the "Standard Picture".

It's kind of like a puzzle...  you can get the answer wrong at first.

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The Kings of "Aquilon" (two in number) are like brothers and yet not like brothers.  Russia and America are both of the North, both have nuclear weapons, even somewhat look alike for the most part as the majority of both places are white people.  

Try reading the next posting...
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 30, 2011, 06:47:25 AM
The New Russian Threat Out of the Old Soviet Collapse

Submitted by JR Nyquist on Fri, 28 Jan 2011

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/the-new-russian-threat-out-of-the-old-soviet-collapse

"...But all was not lost for the KGB or the Communist elite. Decades earlier, Soviet planners had looked ahead to a time when a reform of the Soviet system would be necessary. In a book published in 1984, KGB defector Anatoliy Golitsyn wrote about a secret Soviet plan to do away with Communist Party dominance. This, he said, would be a deception. The Communist Party would still exist underneath the surface. It would merely go underground, or break into various new parties that would control the Russian political process according to a script. In facing the crisis, Kalashnikov noted the Kremlin's agility: "Moscow managed to regroup itself, to recuperate, by launching Islamist forces. In this way they kept Soviet legitimacy. This is extremely important to understand. In diplomatic terms, the Russian Federation is the Soviet Union of today. It has all the prerequisites, with the Security Council, central structures, etc. And it retains the status of nuclear superpower. Back in 1991 we were told, 'Listen comrade, it is a defeat for us. But it is a temporary setback.' The Soviet Union never accepted defeat in the Cold War, not for a minute. There was not even a temporary break in the policy from Gorbachev to Yeltsin to Putin. We have been reorganizing and will be back on track. You may remember the removal of the Dzerzhinsky monument from in front of KGB headquarters. Now let me describe the reaction in our ranks, in our residencies. When we saw what happened in Moscow, there was a general sigh of relief. We knew that someone had masterfully distracted the crowd in front of our headquarters to that poor Dzerzhinsky monument, so our premises remained untouched. That was a huge difference from what happened in East Berlin. We immediately realized that the leaders and organizers of that crowd were KGB assets, our agents. The fall of Dzerzhinsky's statue was arranged by the KGB. It was ultimately a fake event.""

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Also note that Russia is presently "using" the Egyptian chaos to launch an attack on the people of Chechnya.  Russia has literally played both sides of the Muslim game all along.  The Muslims are so obsessed with their vision of glorified death that they are easy to manipulate by the Russians.

Understanding how Russia is "playing" the Muslims is central to understanding WWIII.

The Muslim radicals are obvious... the Russian power is hidden.

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The radical Muslims go into WWIII THINKING that Russia is on their side, but they are betrayed.  Then the Muslim groups start to betray each other until they lose to Chiren.

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Nostradamus basically portrays the radical Muslims as stupid.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Ecosse on January 30, 2011, 06:01:25 PM
America in Nostradamus' terms are always in the pejorative!
"Profligate or Babylon"
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on January 30, 2011, 08:23:52 PM
That's just garbage.

The Lords of Aquilon end up on the side of Chiren.  America and Russia
and Europe all end up defeating the Muslims.

Does Nostradamus hate Chiren for his alliances?

I doubt it, all the "good guys" in the world manage to defeat the
serpent that is Islam.  Nostradamus says the Muslims lose.  Anyone
that supports Chiren is a "good guy" in the opinion of Nostradamus.

Russia starts out supporting the evil side in the beginning, but comes
clean and supports the good side in the end.

The good triumphs and the evil loses.  Muslims lose.

Nostradamus is an optimist for the good in Europe to win. (eventually)
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: safe on February 01, 2011, 03:36:39 PM
Chiren Cannot Use Nuclear Weapons

There is a problem.

Assuming that Europe is overwhelmed by radical Muslims who already
live there, one wonders how that the populations of Europe would be
able to fight them.

Do you put all Muslims in jail?

If you try to do that it would be impossible as there are millions of
Muslims in Europe and there aren't enough prisons to put them all
away.

Can you nuke the Muslims?

No, because they might be a neighbor.  As with all forms of terrorism
you have a hard time recognizing who is a "friend" and who is an
"enemy".

...so you can imagine how Chiren needs to walk a careful path in
WWIII in order to deal with a significant problem.  The increased
use of more lethal weapons by the radicals will make the situation
very difficult.  Weapons are likely smuggled into Europe which are
actually made in other places in the middle east that have become
totally radicalized. (some years from now)

Nuclear weapons become useless to stop your own people.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: jeffb2066 on August 12, 2011, 09:15:41 AM
Canadian soldiers have fought as allies of the US since WWI... hell Americans went to Canada to join their army in 1939, since we weren't getting involved in WWII for 2 more years. They fought in Desert Storm, the current wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, Vietnam, Korea...The Canadian flag is Red and White, and part of the nation is within the arctic circle (is that a red and white troop of the north enough for ya?) Canada and the US both have a large percentage of German-decended people, including much of my own family, and the current Pope is German... what colors are the Vatican's flag? I really don't know. What colors are the current Russian flag? We used to speak of 'Red Russians' and 'White Russians', and the Nazi flag is/was red and white (with a black swastika.)These quatrains give some clues about something, but just don't show me a smoking gun, so to speak.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: jeffb2066 on March 07, 2012, 08:56:01 AM
Geological satellite photoes have shown 2 ancient, dry riverbeds in the region near the Tigress and Euphrates rivers, that would have emptied into the Gulf near the 2 existing rivers. That's the 2 missing rivers from the Book of Genesis describing the location of the Garden of Eden (maybe). Ocean levels have risen over the past 10,000 years, changing the geography. There's always the possibility of a 5th riverbed in the area... but I like the information someone else posted about Sheffield England. Of course, as he/she stated, we won't now how accurate it is concerning the quatrains until events are happening.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: jeffb2066 on March 07, 2012, 09:25:48 AM
"the king of Babylon" Now a debatable point, but on the evidence given  Babylon = USA
Okay, this guy shows himself once again to be little more than another "I hate America"-type. Babylon was located in present-day Iraq. He's posted this sort of thing at least 4 other times that I've seen... 'everything is the fault of the Americans, blah blah.' Ecosse, if you are a citizen or legal resident of the US, I want you to think really hard about what I'm about to tell you. Men in my family have served in almost every armed conflict the US has been involved in since the American Revolution (including an uncle who was a Sergeant with the 25th infantry division in WWII, fighting against Nazi Germany) ensuring you have all those wonderful, all-important civil rights you enjoy. If you are a citizen or legal resident, one of those rights is the right to leave and go elsewhere. Please do so.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Mysterion on November 12, 2012, 11:51:58 PM
From the book "Nostradamus by Jean-Charles de Fontbrune"
chiren is an anagram of henric : from latin henricus : Henri.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Myview on November 30, 2013, 12:16:31 PM
I am not convinced yet that Chyren is a person

I found 3 quatrains with Chiren/Chyren: 2 quatrains spell Chyren, 1 quatrain spells Chiren.

Century 6 Quatrain 27 is definately about the “Volcanic Arc” and “Aeolian Islands in Italy

See also Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolian_Island



Into the islands of five rivers to one
Through the crescent/arc shape of the great Chyren Selin
Through the drizzle of the air of the fury of the one
Six disappear, hide ………….

Dedans les iƒles de cinq fleuves à un ,
Par le croiƒƒant du grand Chyren Selin :
Par les bruynes de l'air fureur de l'un ,
Six eƒchappez , cachez fardeaux de lin
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Myview on November 30, 2013, 12:40:25 PM
Sorry, correct link should be http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aeolian_Islands
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Myview on November 30, 2013, 12:54:14 PM
And herewith the link of the arc of course

croissant = arc

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volcanic_arc

Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: Myview on December 02, 2013, 02:12:09 PM
Hi,

This is what I think of Century 6 Quatrain 27:

It's about the Aeolian Islands in Italy as mentioned earlier
It's concerned 7 Islands in an Arc shape (croissant)
Salina (Selin in French) is 1 or the Islands
These Islands are all volcano's as mentioned earlier
Volcano on Salina is going to break out = the fury of the one of the 7
The other 6 Islands are going to disappear or break loose somehow.
The last line is not really clear to me but  what I found regarding the word "fardeaux" looks to me that it is concerned pressure /collapse hazard: http://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/fardeau
Chyren might be the centaur Chiron in greek mythology. The croissant/ arc shape could be the footprint of the hoof of this centaur, like Pegasus.







Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on December 31, 2013, 08:08:05 PM
Chyren is Charles HenryV. He is the Great Catholic Monarch. He leads the Catholic forces during WWIII. It will occur very soon. Jesus is on His way. Here are my Physics calculations showing that He comes on Sunday.

WARNING:NOT FOR THOSE UNDER 18!




TIME TRAVEL IS POSSIBLE. NOSTRADAMUS PROVED IT. SO DID THE MYANS. NOSTRADAMUS TOOK AN "HERB" BEFORE SIGHTSEEING. I SUSPECT IT WAS LSD. IT OCCURS NATURALLY.


31.8 Hz  * 0.4083 sec=12.98 cycles =13 waves.


LAMBDA=13 * 2Pi=4680 degrees


4680 years- 2013AD=2667 years  that =F=26.666 kN


Since


Lambda-F=t

Divide by t


1-Lambda=-t

E-Lambda/-F=-t/-F

1+26Pi/26=0.4083/26.666=0.1531


1-0.1531=0.8469


sin 1=cos 1=0.8415


0.8469-0.8415=0.0066 = 2.42 days 


Jan 1, 2014 +2.42 days =January 3, 2014  Sunday at 10 AM.


10 am o'clock HERE IS 4:00 pm ON THE INTERNATIONAL DATE LINE. THAT 'S THE LAST DAY OF Christmas.


THAT'S THE LAST DAY OF CHRISTMAS AND THE FEAST OF THE HOLY NAME OF JESUS.


Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 01, 2014, 11:15:45 AM
THERE IS A MISTAKE OBVIOUSLY IN MY CALCULATION. BUT THE FACT REMAINS, JESUS IS COMING SOON. HOW SOON, I DO NOT KNOW. I GIVE UP GUESSING.

Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 01, 2014, 02:36:05 PM
Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor (SEE REVELATION 2:2) - VI.70

Of Trojan blood he will be born with a German heart (MARIE ANTONIETTE)
and will rise to a very great power.
He will drive out the foreign, Arabic nation (MUSLUMS FROM FRANCE)
and return the Church to her early glory - (PRE VATICAN ii CHURCH)V.74

Selin king, Italy peaceful, kingdoms
united by the Christian King of the World.(GREAT CATHOLIC MONARCH)
When he dies he will want to lie in Blois territory,
having chased the pirates from the sea - IV.77

The great man led captive from a foreign land,
chained in gold, offered to King CHYREN.(CHARLES HENRY V)
He who in Ausonia, Milan will lose the war
and all his army put to fire and sword - IV.34

The king of Europe will come like a griffon,
accompanied by those of the North;
he will lead a great troop of red and white,
they will go against the king of Babylon - X.80


Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 01, 2014, 02:39:22 PM
I'M THE GREAT CATHOLIC MONARCH. I DESCEND FROM LOUIS XVII.

 I WAS TOUCHED ON THE LEFT HIP AND LIMPED IN MY RIGHT FOOT.  I SUFFERED ALL MY LIFE, THUS A GREAT SAINT.  MY MATERNAL LINE IS SPANISH BLOOD AS PROPHECIZED. I DON'T HOWEVER FIT THE PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION. I DON'T HAVE AN EAGLE NOSE.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 01, 2014, 08:02:13 PM
IN THE BOOK OF REVELATION, THERE IS A LAMB. ONE AUTOMATICALLY THINKS OF JESUS. BUT JESUS IS NOT THE LAMB IN THIS BOOK. CHAPTER 1 DEFINES HIM AS THE "MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE"  NEAR THE ENBD, CHAPTER 21  I THINK, IT STATE THAT THERE WILL BE NO LAMP IN THE NEW JERUSALEM BECUASE THE LAMB AND TRHE MASTER OF THE UNIVERSE THEMSELVES (PLURAL) WILL BE ITS LIGHT.  THEREFORE THE LAMB IS NOT JESUS.  THE LAMB IS THE SECOND MESSIAH , MOSHIACH BEN EPHRAIM (EDWARD IN ENGLISH).  THE LAMMB, ACCORDING TO NOSTRADAMUS ABOVE IS "THE VICTOR." NOSTRADAMUS TELLS US THAT THERE IS ONLY ONE VICTOR IT IOS THE LAMB. IT IS ME. I'VE LIVED THE BOOK OF REVELATION.  WE ARE IN CHAPTER 16 OF THAT BOOK. WE ONLY HAVE THE LAST PLAGUE TO GO. ITS ARMEGGEDON.  THE EUPHRATES HAS DRIED UP.  WE JUST THE EARTHQUAKE, HAIL STONES AND THE WEDDING OF THE LAMB. THEN JESUS FINALLY COMES.  WHAT TOOK YOU SO LONG?
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 01, 2014, 08:51:58 PM
SELIN MUST MEAN STILL WIND. GOD IS SAID TO SPEAK IN A "GENTLE BREEZE". I SUSPECT THAT SELIN IS WHOM GOD SPEAKES THROUGH.

TORONTO IS BABYLON.  THE KING OF BABYLON IS PERHAPS MAYOR FORD WHO IS SMOKING CRACK ON VIDEO.  READ CHAPTER 17 OF REVELATION FOR THE JUDGEMENT OF BABYLON. (GREAT WATERS=GREAT LAKES). HOMDE TO THE WHORE OF BABYLON (A MUSLIM WOMEN); AND THE MOST MULTICULTURAL CITY IN NORTH AMERICA STATISTICALLY A MULTITUDE OF LANGGUAGES, NATIUONS AND CULTURES.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 01, 2014, 09:25:19 PM
TROOP OF RED AND WHITE WOULD BE CANADA.

SAINT JOHN, NB  IS THE NEW Jerusalem. IT LIES AT 45 DEGREES NORTH; AND 66 DEGREES WEST. 45 IS God, AND 66 = EVIL, EVIL.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 01, 2014, 10:08:39 PM
TROJAN BLOOD is the Greeks. But it is also traceable to Rus (sia).  The 10 Northern tribes of Israel migrated to Khazstan (Southern Russia).  The kingly line of Joseph is found there in Mileisus.  His Y DNA is L226 found in the Kings of Ireland. So are the Kings of France.

 Gog and Magog are Russians as well. The false prophet comes from Russia and is of the same bloodline.

I was shocked to find that the four empires mentioned in Daniel 2 and 7 were probably ruled by one and the same bloodline, for which reason I started to view it as a God-sanctioned bloodline to rule the earth continually...until Jesus returns, that is. It's as if our Lord said, "Okay, devil, I'm going to grant you power through men over a constantly-evolving global entity, but after that I'll judge you for what you accomplish with that power." I learned that the Greeks were themselves brothers of the Trojans, but I had already learned that Trojans founded the Romans i.e. that the first Caesars proclaimed themselves to be of Trojan blood. Then I learned that Darius, said in the Bible (Daniel 5:30) to be the first ruler of the Persian empire, was the son of an Aryan (Trojans had stemmed from Aryans). What floored me further was that the same bloodline had been a Gogi one, and that it was indistinguishable from the Rus(sian) nation. The coming chapters will expound on these topics.


THE GERMANIC HEART is Marie Antoinette.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 01, 2014, 10:46:11 PM
The GRIFFON is a small terrier like hunting dog originating in the low countries. Of course, Hugh Capet came from tongeren Belgium, like the griffon.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 03, 2014, 08:04:37 PM
Its high time we called open season on the Devil Worshipers. It will start in the US and quickly spread around the world. Take charge. Don't be a victim any longer.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 04, 2014, 10:25:34 PM
According to my Physics, there are 13 cycles in the universal time. (see blog "Astrotheology the missing link" The first day of creation for the Jews is Oct 10, 3763 BC.  That is 444.38 years x 13=Oct 10 3763-April 26, 2014.  April 26, 2014 is the first Sunday after Easter is Divine Mercy Sunday. 


The idol was installed on Divine Mercy Sunday April 3,2005. That is 9 years ago - the number of the Holy Spirit.

JESUS IS ON HIS WAY! PREPARE FOR THE ONSLAUGHT.

Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 06, 2014, 01:50:58 PM
Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor - VI.70

REVELATION 2:26 To the victor who keeps to my ways to the end, I will give power over the nations, 27 to rule them with an iron rod and shat¬ter them like earthen pots; he will be like me, who received this power from my Father. 28 More¬over, I will give him the Morning Star.(BV MARY)

COSGRACH means "the Victor. Cosgrach was Brian Boru's Uncle L226.  Cusack comes from Cosgrach.




Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 10, 2014, 11:10:28 PM
After all is said and done, I'm not the GM. Its in our family since we descend from Louis XVII.  I'm too tired to fight a war. I've been at war all my 47 years. I'll be glad to rest. they shot at me twice now - missed both times.  6 inches from the heart. poor shot.

Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 15, 2014, 11:14:38 PM
CHIREN SELIN=

PAUL THE TWIN EPHRAIM CUSACK

PAUL THOMAS EDWARD CUSACK
B.FEB11, 1967
WALKJED WITH A LIMP
TOUCHED ON THE HIP
LATE 40'S
NORTH=CANADA EAST=MARITIMES WEST WESTERN HEMISPHERE
L226 ROYAL BLOOD OF LOUIS XVII
SPANISH MATERNAL GRANDFATHER.
GREAT SINNER IN YOUTH, 2 MILLION ROSARIES, LOW PROFILE, LOWLEY COMPANIONS
ETC
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on January 16, 2014, 12:29:14 AM
I MUST ADMIT I DON'T FIT THE LOOKS PROFILE; MY COUSIN -THE CURRENT MONARCH - DOES. HOWEVER, I FIT EVERY OTHER PROPHECY; HE DOESN'T.  I WONDER IF THE PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION FITS THE MONARCH PRIOR TO THE GREAT MONARCH? OR PERHAPS IT IS INVALID? 
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on February 01, 2014, 03:46:01 AM
ANDREW MICHAEL CUSACK

SELIN CHIREN

HE HAS A LARGE FOREHEAD, DARK EYES, BROWN WAVEY HAIR, AN EAGLE NOSE. HE'S YOUR MAN. I'M JUST THE GUY WHO FIGURED IT OUT, THANK GOD. BONNE CHANCE MES AMIS.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on February 02, 2014, 02:26:28 AM
Andrew did not have a sinful youth. He did not limp. He was not touched on the hip and in pain. He doesn't have Spanish component of the bloodline. As for me, I'm positive on these accounts. I'm your great monarch like it or not. I will kick Muslim and anti-Catholic butt soon.  God is behind me. I can't lose. don't try to outwit God. You'll lose. Get ready for WW I II. Its coming soon. I can't wait!
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: ecp-partei on March 26, 2014, 01:22:44 AM
Hello,

go to
www.ecp-partei.dethe rest we shall see.

All the best
Vaclav
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on March 27, 2014, 06:03:31 PM
I'm sorry, I don't read German. But its about a Central European Party, I have no interest in Europe. The New Jerusalem is in Eastern Canada. The Birch tree Battle is over as of March 19, 2014. It's the Kirch (Chery) Tree Battle. They buried my uncle in a cherry wood casket on the feast of St Joseph.

I'm the Great Prince and the Messiah Ephraim. Jesus will be here in a month I expect.  I hope we don't have to wait until Christmas 2015.  Things are moving along in Ukraine. The Bible says the armies will gather for war in the Hills of Megiddo (North of Israel)  So watch for the worldwide Earthquake. I think Jesus will come before nuclear war. Then there is the wedding of the Lamb. Its me. He marries the land (St Columba).  Then 1618 years of peace. Thank God!
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on March 27, 2014, 06:43:34 PM
The Cherry Tree battle went on from May 1975 until March 2014. I won!

We had the "hail" storm yesterday.  So after the earthquake, Jesus can come any time. Hopefully He comes before the missiles fly and not after.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: daviisaidon on March 28, 2014, 05:12:05 PM
I MUST ADMIT I DON'T FIT THE LOOKS PROFILE; MY COUSIN -THE CURRENT MONARCH - DOES. HOWEVER, I FIT EVERY OTHER PROPHECY; HE DOESN'T.  I WONDER IF THE PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION FITS THE MONARCH PRIOR TO THE GREAT MONARCH? OR PERHAPS IT IS INVALID?  

1939 - 1914 = 25 years...

1812 - 1776 = 36 years... = 10% x 360 = 9 x 4

61 + 1948 = 2009...

{70 x 7} x 4 = 1960

+ 49 = 2009...

~9 years for WWII...

2009 + 9 = 2018...

gog and magog Meshek and Tubal sons of Japheth as written.

2, 5, and 6th Sons as written.

Meshek is also in another Family line of Shem from the 5th Son as the 4th Son.

3rd and 4th Generation.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on March 28, 2014, 07:47:36 PM
The IDOL was installed 9 years ago this April 3 the day after JPII died.

It will be the ninth anniversary on Divine Mercy Sunday April 27, 2014.

Nine is the number of the Holy Spirit.

The IDOL was taken down March 30, 2013 - the day before last Easter. The anniversary is Sunday.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: daviisaidon on April 15, 2014, 09:39:50 AM
I MUST ADMIT I DON'T FIT THE LOOKS PROFILE; MY COUSIN -THE CURRENT MONARCH - DOES. HOWEVER, I FIT EVERY OTHER PROPHECY; HE DOESN'T.  I WONDER IF THE PHYSICAL DESCRIPTION FITS THE MONARCH PRIOR TO THE GREAT MONARCH? OR PERHAPS IT IS INVALID?  

1939 - 1914 = 25 years...

1812 - 1776 = 36 years... = 10% x 360 = 9 x 4

61 + 1948 = 2009...

{70 x 7} x 4 = 1960

+ 49 = 2009...

~9 years for WWII...

2009 + 9 = 2018...

gog and magog Meshek and Tubal sons of Japheth as written.

2, 5, and 6th Sons as written.

Meshek is also in another Family line of Shem from the 5th Son as the 4th Son.

3rd and 4th Generation.

I found the Scripture for the timetable: 480 since Egypt in the 4th year of Solomon:

606 Babylon + 515.25 years for 21 Kings of Judah + 480 in the 4th year of Solomon - 40 Saul - 2 - 40 David - 4th Year Temple of Solomon + 430 in Egypt + 47~ Jacob + 60 Isaac + 100 Abraham = 2152.25 years...

+ 70 Terah = 2222.25 BC

480 + 430 = 910...

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Kings+23:33-35&version=NIV

40   Saul
2   
40   David
40   Solomon
17   
3   
41   
25   
8   
1   
6   
40   
29   
52   
16   
16   
29   
55   
2   
31   
11   
0.25   
11   Jehoiakim
_____________
515.25   years.
Title: Re: Chiren - The Leader of the Western Forces in WWIII (who is he?)
Post by: cusack5239 on April 15, 2014, 10:40:45 PM
51.5 is the angle on the slope of the great pyramid in Egypt.