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Title: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on October 23, 2010, 05:04:45 PM
The "Standard Picture" is what I see Nostradamus and others as predicting as coming to pass for us.  I'll let other people post their versions first if they want, but then I'll post what I expect.

By definition your own "Standard Picture" needs to have not already been violated, so be sure to be clear about what you are defining.

2012 is the alignment of the galactic center with the earth so Nostradamus seems to have keyed off of that for his time reference, but I suspect that 2012 will just be the beginning and was never intended to be exact.  (so just because 2012 will come and go you can't assume we're in the clear)
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on October 24, 2010, 04:14:33 PM
Where do I start?

First we need a foundation upon which mediums are capable of actually sensing things outside their own time.  From a scientific standpoint you need to be able to "connect the dots" so that Nostradamus isn't just a lunatic or a scoundral.  

How do we do this?

You can't go much further back than the "Big Bang" itself when all of the universe was a singularity.  It's hard for us to comprehend that we were all matter that was packed together so tightly that matter itself didn't exist.

Step One...  Recognize that at one time all things were ONE.

As time became a reality matter come into existence and we start to see the RELATIONSHIP of matter to space.  Remember that in the beginning there really isn't time or space because a singularity means everything is one.

Time becomes simply the way that matter and space interacts on the level which we perceive it.  I say "perceive" because we next have to grapple with the Newtonian Physics verses Quantum Level Physics differences.  Basically what is "real" at a large scale isn't the same at small scales.  Weird things happen like you can get two electrons in a state of quantum coherence (synchronized) and then separate them.  You then alter the vibration of one and the OTHER electron is altered.  This VIOLATES the principle of locality which we think is "normal" at the scale of matter where we humans live.  In one experiment they separated the electrons by 50 miles and the coherence remained...  talk about NON-LOCALITY !!!  (imagine a super secret radio based on this...  impossible to crack)

Step Two...  is to realize that matter is now more complex and behaves differently depending on the scale on which we look at it.

What is happening "underneath" the Quantum coherence situation?  The answer seems to be that there is some "other dimension" upon which all things are connected.  It's as though the universe was created with many dimensions, but as organic and evolutionary creatures there was no need to be aware of more than three of them, plus a shallow understanding of time.

Step Three...  is to realize that "hidden dimensions" appear to connect everything together NOW in the exact same was as when everything was a Singularity.  In effect the Singularity never went away, but just expanded.  The "strings" that connect everything are still there, but we can't quite understand them yet.

How does the human access these "hidden dimensions"?

Well, the brain is actually made up of large biological cells (neurons, etc) but it seems that what we experience as "consciousness" is really the electrical activity that is going.  To distort an old phrase:

"I think, therefore I am"  becomes "I think, therefore I am electrified"

...since the brain interacts with itself using matter (electrons) that are small enough to interact using Quantum Physics we can see how the body experiences one thing and the mind is capable of experiencing another.  The so called "Sixth Sense" is the minds ability to interact with it's own electrical functioning and probe deeper into the universe than the body can see, hear, or touch.

Step Four...  it to realize that our brains interact with the universe on the Quantum level and not just the mechanical level that Classical physics allows. (it's both)

A "medium" like Nostradamus has then trained himself to access this mysterious and unexplained "hidden dimension" of the universe.  Like an athlete, he would have taken years to get any good at it as it's something you can train for if you put in the effort. (starting with a clue helps and I suspect that good genetics is also important)

Nostradamus would just say something like "it's hard to explain" and probably stop at that. (especially given the church of his day)

Finally...  when you look out at the night sky and see darkness and distant stars remember that what you are seeing is the PAST.  Many of the stars may have passed away millions or billions of years ago.  It's like looking backwards in time every night and that's just the universe we live in. (it's freakishly weird if you study it enough)
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on October 26, 2010, 08:06:58 AM
A short history of religion.

We start with the jews and the old testament that more or less follows the intellectual and moral development of that people.  Jesus comes late in the world view of the jews as he is born at a time AFTER the fall of the Roman Republic when the early Roman Empire is spreading it's progressive liberal culture throughout the region.  Jesus sees the jews becoming absorbed by the progressive Roman culture and reacts strongly against it.  Jesus dies as a protest and his followers begin to create a religion that is specifically designed to defeat the Roman culture. Christians are a reflected opposing image of progressive liberal values as seen in the Romans. (Christians back then are the same as Tea Party supporters today...  the same idea anyway)

Later the Romans "flip" and become themselves Christian, but they distort the message of Jesus...  as if a clear message can even be known given the circumstances. (it's just hard to say what Jesus would say about non-Roman situations)  The Catholic church becomes a sort of hybrid of Roman authority combined with some superficial aspects of the Christian faith.

Nostradamus is alive during the later Catholic period and is himself a jew, though he does all he can to present himself as a Catholic.  Since the Catholics repressed any real spiritual insights in favor of authoritarian techniques it was impossible for Nostradamus to be open and honest about his work in his time.

Later we got the Protestants that looked back into the origins of Christianity and brought back out the core truths.  This period was also when science and rationalism revolved around Newtonian physics that seemed to suggest that a rational world exists, is finite and predictable and human civilization could be formed based on such ideas.  America was the "great experiment" of these ideas.

Recently it's become clear that Quantum physics defines a world view that is alien to Newtonian physics at the smaller scale.  It's opened the door again to the pre-rational "spiritual" worldview.  However, today there are many Christians that haven't a clue about any of what I just wrote and perceive their faith in a simplistic Catholic kind of way basing their faith mostly on emotion.

So overall we live in an age where it's "okay" to seek the spiritual "Quantum Physics" perspective of existence without fear of the church repressing anything.  

Things today are the polar opposite (as regards the church) to the time of Nostradamus.

(we can discuss without any fear at all which is a good thing)
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: ods on October 31, 2010, 02:33:19 AM
As it is, I don't agree with your oppinion. If I would agree, then I might not answer at all. However, I see some major problems using your picture.

Just a word to 2012. I assume, nothing really important will happen that year or at 21.12. Also I don't understand the trouble around that date. If a calendar "ends", then a great millenium party should take place, isn't it? I assume, all the 2012 stuff is fear for nothing.

Of course, Nostradamus predicts what will come in the future. In his prefaces he says that very clearly. So there is a general problem how this can happen or be true. No human being has sense organ for looking in the future. Nostradamus gives an answer for that, especially in the first prefaces, although we may not really understand the answer in the end. Three things are needed:
occult knowledge, puissance/talent/ability and goodly/divine power/ability.

So you reject his statement what is necessary to get the information. On the other hand you (may) believe to the information itself.

The next problem I see is about the "coherenced electrons" experiment. If we - as human beings - are able to realize the quantum state of an electron, then we are "inside" or a part of the experiment. Then the information is useless, because we don't know anything about the other electron. If we are "outside" the experiment, then we may have information about an electron far away instantaneous. But in both cases it does not solve the problem, even if we were both inside and outside of the experiment. Additionally I think it is impossible for me to realize the quantum state of an electron in my brain and additionally transform this information into a "vision". If this would be possible, then we are a part of the experiment, but not outside. However, no information about the future can be retrieved by this kind of perception at all.

I will give a comparison, that shows my opinion about this item, at least indirectly. Let's assume, we human beings are like musical instruments, e.g. a piano. This piano is a very complex piano, and it has also a microphone. So it can "speak" and "listen" and react on that, what it hears. And it plays until it is very old or damaged and cannot be repaired any more.

Then one piano (=Nostradamus) says/sounds, that he knows what will be played in the future. Of course, this is a very surprising and dramatic sound. A special kind of ultrasound cannot solve the problem. A pure piano will never be able to know what will be played in the future.

The problem can be solved by assuming, that additionally to the piano there exists a pianist. In this comparison the pianist is the soul (or use a different word if you like, the comparison is little weak at all). The pianist can only just play the music of his present music sheet. If he wants to know about the future sound, then the help of the composer (=god) is needed. So by asking - or getting the information from - the composer there is no general problem any longer.

In my opinion this comparison in not very far away from the explanation given by Nostradamus; obviously there are differences at all, and some other problems still remain unsolved. But the assumtion, that we human beings are only and solely a biological machine, makes a valid prediction in the future impossible. Nevertheless I know, that this assumption is popular.

Best regards
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on November 06, 2010, 02:32:57 AM
What evidence is there that Nostradamus was a Jew? his grandparents converted to Christianity and his grandfather educated him and Nostradamus was buried in a Christian church. Bit odd, given that in those times, even practising other religions could have one liquidated.

Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: ods on November 06, 2010, 08:06:50 AM
What evidence is there that Nostradamus was a Jew?

None. Why do you ask? In opposite, he is quoting the Bible Mt 7.6:
As the true Saviour said, "Give not that which is holy unto dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet and turn and rend you."

and Mt 11.25:
Thou hast hidden these things from the wise and the prudent, that is, from the powerful and from kings, and hast revealed them to the small and the weak.

and surely some more. And there are much more hints that he was a christian.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on November 07, 2010, 03:15:40 PM
To be practising "the dark arts" puts Nostradamus outside the church as well as his jokes about the Virgin!
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on November 12, 2010, 02:41:42 PM
In my opinion this comparison in not very far away from the explanation given by Nostradamus; obviously there are differences at all, and some other problems still remain unsolved. But the assumtion, that we human beings are only and solely a biological machine, makes a valid prediction in the future impossible. Nevertheless I know, that this assumption is popular.

This was the primary obstacle that I was hoping to address.

As "modern humans" who are trained as rational beings all the vague occult knowledge of Nostradamus can seem like absolute garbage.  And yet I know in my own life that I have had experiences that "seemed" to be like that of a Medium.  You know what I'm talking about...  you have some image pop into your head or a dream and then the information from that turns out to have relevance in real life.  Somehow either the mind is tricking itself into an association that doesn't really exist or you've kind of stumbled upon a vision that you had no control over and really don't fully understand.  It happens on a pre-rational intuitive level.

My goal was to present (using Quantum Physical truths) a framework of the world and how our biology and electrical consciousness might interact so that Mediums are not just fools or scoundrels.

Maybe it's all a fraud or self deception.

Or maybe there's something to the nature of reality itself where living creatures can somehow have a murky vision into the bigger picture.

...if we are to be talking about Nostradamus we have to begin with an acceptance that without a framework that really works the whole exercise is a waste.  

Those that think it's a waste of time are literally wasting their time reading this and are themselves the fool because they are the ones who are not thinking clearly. (they are contradicting themselves by reading and answering)

So we have to begin with "acceptance" that multiple dimensional reality is "the reality" and not Newtonians world view.  It's the only thing we can do...
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on November 12, 2010, 02:47:06 PM
The Letter To Henry

Many people are "hooked" into Nostradamus by a quatrain that they come across and try to "work backwards" from the quatrain with bad results most of the time.  The better way to introduce yourself to Nostradamus is with the Letter to Henry.

You can find this in various places, but here's some examples:

http://www.nostradamus101.com/prophecies/final/

http://www.nostradamus.org/q_en_epistle.php

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"For hereupon the principal Eastern chief will be vanquished by the Northerners and Westerners, and most of his people, stirred up, will be put to death, overwhelmed or scattered. His children, offspring of many women, will be imprisoned. Then will be accomplished the prophecy of the Royal Prophet, Let him hear the groaning of the captives, that he might deliver the children of those doomed to die.

What great oppression will then fall upon the Princes and Governors of Kingdoms, especially those which will be maritime and Eastern, whose tongues will be intermingled with all others: the tongue of the Latins, and of the Arabs, via the Phoenicians. And all these Eastern Kings will be chased, overthrown and exterminated, but not altogether, by means of the forces of the Kings of the North, and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend arount the world. The sacrifice of the hole and immaculate Wafer will be sustained.

Then the Lords of "Aquilon" [the North], two in number, will be victorious over the Easterners, and so great a noise and bellicose tumult will they make amongst them that all the East will tremble in terror of these brothers, yet not brothers, of "Aquilon" [the North]."


This appears to be the outcome of the coming WWIII.  America and Russia will start WWIII as mortal enemies, but by the time of Chiren (the Western leader) they are unified against the Eastern forces and muslim terrorists who they defeat.

The "two brothers" are America and Russia.

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Okay...  that's a lot of information too quickly right?  Well yeah, but I figured I'd jump to the end first and get people into the center of a discussion.  Once you sort of envision what Nostradamus was saying then things will sort of fit into place.

The vision is called the "Standard Picture" (what I call it anyway) and hopefully I'll get through it all over time.  This stuff takes a lot of time to do and I've pretty much already "got it" a few years ago, so now I'm more or less just retelling what I've already figured out.

--- WWIII ---

America and Russia nuke each other.

America and Russia (severely damaged) unite with Chiren to retake Europe as the muslims there are behaving badly.

Chiren and the West win the war.

Peace is restored, but years later there are more wars.


Things are never as good as it was in the 1990's for humanity for generations to come.

(those literally were the "good old days")

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Note: I owe an enormous feeling of gratitude to this website:

http://ww-iii.tripod.com

...as it guided me to the formation of the "Standard Picture". 

I receive no money for saying this.  (people always suspect bad intentions)

It's too bad that forum got shut down, but it makes sense because they had all these creepy anti-Israel types on there.  Rather than debate Nostradamus they tended to just slam Israel all the time.  In Nostradamus Israel is not "bad" at all and isn't even really central to the story because WWIII is mostly an East vs West thing.  (though some will argue that Israel helps to stoke the fires leading into WWIII and that may be a valid point)
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: nunyabizz on November 12, 2010, 03:46:50 PM
So are you arguing for or against the order of ONE ?  or just talking to yourself being part of the one ? 
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on November 13, 2010, 09:09:05 AM
Nostradamus was forced to be intentionally cryptic because of the risk of persecution during his age by the church.

We don't have to...

And to be purposely cryptic now means you want to play the role of "secret knowledge holder" like the astrologers in the time of Nostradamus.

Use plain language and explain your meaning better.

(avoid elitism)

Century VI, 100
Let those who read this verse consider it profoundly,
Let the profane and the ignorant herd keep away:
And far away all Astrologers, Idiots and Barbarians,
May he who does otherwise be subject to the sacred rite.


...don't be an astrologer if you get my drift.  : )
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on November 13, 2010, 09:18:58 AM
Chiren (Chyren)

Chiren is THE central figure of WWIII.

He becomes the leader of the Western forces in the latter part of WWIII.  He unifies the Americans and Russians in a campaign to liberate Europe which has been suffocated by internal muslim terrorism and attacks originating from the middle east.  Eventually Chiren becomes the "sole victor" of WWIII and brings about peace.  The name "Chiren" is likely not literal and there is debate about it's metaphorical meaning.  

Then will be accomplished the prophecy of the Royal Prophet, Let him hear the groaning of the captives, that he might deliver the children of those doomed to die.

Muslims will be imprisoned in large quantities, but due to the Holocaust a repeat of the massive cremation of muslims (jews) is not done in Europe and instead the choice is to let the women and children of the muslim terrorists be free.

This mercy upon muslim terrorists enhances the image of Chiren as being both ruthless in exterminating the muslim threat, but also generous in allowing the innocent to survive.  This goes a long way towards making things peaceful after the war.

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor - VI.70

Of Trojan blood he will be born with a German heart
and will rise to a very great power.
He will drive out the foreign, Arabic nation
and return the Church to her early glory - V.74

Selin king, Italy peaceful, kingdoms
united by the Christian King of the World.
When he dies he will want to lie in Blois territory,
having chased the pirates from the sea - IV.77

The great man led captive from a foreign land,
chained in gold, offered to King CHYREN.
He who in Ausonia, Milan will lose the war
and all his army put to fire and sword - IV.34

The king of Europe will come like a griffon,
accompanied by those of the North;
he will lead a great troop of red and white,
they will go against the king of Babylon - X.80
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on November 20, 2010, 08:21:31 AM
Mixing Nostradamus Prediction with Todays Falsehoods

Part of what Nostradamus does for us is to show us in our own time truths that we are now deceiving ourselves about.  The truth is that the old USSR did change, but it's political character really never did.

Russia and America are the "two brothers" of Nostradamus and they begin the war as nuclear enemies, but end the war on the side of Chiren with the West. (defeating the muslims)

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This is an article taken from recent events that correctly identifies the "Standard Picture" of Nostradamus while the person writing the article has NO KNOWLEDGE of Nostradamus.  As a scientist this would be like doing an experiment with a "double blind" test subject who gives answers without any chance of being biased towards a Nostradamus outcome.

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/the-future-of-europe

The Future of Europe

Submitted by JR Nyquist on Fri, 19 Nov 2010

Earlier this week I spoke at length with former KGB Lt. Col. Victor Kalashnikov, who has been traveling in Germany. Kalashnikov wanted to talk about British Gen. Sir David Richards, who was interviewed in the Sunday Telegraph. Here was the British Chief of Staff explaining that "you can't defeat the Taliban or al Qaeda militarily." In fact, clear-cut victory is unnecessary, said Richards. All we have to do is contain Islamic militants, so our lives won't be disrupted. Upon reading this, Kalashnikov wondered about a shift from offensive strategy to defensive.

Under George W. Bush the West was on the offensive. American and British troops, together with NATO forces in Afghanistan, were taking the war to the enemy. But this has apparently changed. After following Bush's strategy for a spell, President Obama wants to pull American troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and Europe is not going to fill the gap. One might ask what is going on. Why does it matter whether Europe follows an offensive or defensive strategy? The struggle against radical Islamic forces, says Kalashnikov, hasn't been placed in proper context. "The West is slow to grasp that the end of the Cold War merely signified a shift toward asymmetrical warfare." Kalashnikov is reminding us that during the Cold War the West was confronted by the massive tank armies of the Warsaw Pact. But now the West faces something different. The Russian side did not give up its quest for the "Common European House." It merely changed the game, and altered the mode of conflict.

Russia hoped that the unification of Germany in 1990 would lead to the breakup of NATO. Feeling cheated when this didn't happen, another front was activated. According to Kalashnikov, Moscow "engaged" Saddam Hussein to invade Kuwait, luring the West into a strategic trap while making itself the West's indispensible partner. Once the West had decisively intervened in the affairs of the Middle East, it was only a matter of time before the provocation of 9/11 would utterly distort Western strategic priorities. Here is the brilliance of asymmetrical warfare, says Kalashnikov. The West is now involved in a conflict described by a leading British general  as "unwinnable." So the West goes over to the strategic defense while turning to Russia for support.  "And that," says Kalashnikov, "is going to be the West's position for the next 30 years!"

After attending a series of meetings in Germany, Kalashnikov could only shake his head: "I got the idea of some sort of distortion of mind.... They are still under the impact of the Cold War, as they understand it. But they didn't understand. Even military experts have an odd idea of what happened twenty years ago. They don't see that ... the bloc confrontation was replaced by another one." Kalashnikov said it was difficult to understand the Germans and the British. "NATO is not united as before," he noted. "And if we sound out countries, we find a different story in different countries. There is a difference between America and Europe, and serious differences between Europeans."

And part of the reason for NATO's weak and divided situation? It is NATO's enlargement. If Estonia feels threatened by Russian troops on its border, does America take notice? According to Kalashnikov, "The question used to be how America would react if Moscow caused serious troubles in Western Europe. Now there is a further question. How would America react if Russia arranged trouble with regard to Estonia or Lithuania? If we notice the increasing economic ties to Russia, the potential for blackmailing or pressuring NATO has increased in recent years, and NATO has become more vulnerable." And there is another thing, Kalashnikov explained. Russian influence throughout the Baltic States and Poland is growing. "Russian delegations are coming one after another," he observed. "Despite all the rhetoric, Russian influence is on the rise in Central Europe as well. Then we see the story with Ukraine. It is a clear case where NATO has retreated from its previous intention to make Ukraine into a full-fledged member. Now there is no movement in this direction. And we see growing Russian influence with certain Islamic and Arab powers as well; so we hear calls for Russia to become involved in the Middle East peace process."

Why is Russian influence growing? "I was at the German Defense Ministry," said Kalashnikov. "They are preoccupied with the European theater during the late Cold War, which is not correct. If we recall the global picture of events, the Soviet Union launched the biggest military operation on African soil since the Second World War, advancing steadily toward South Africa. Down in the Eastern part of Angola, about 1,400 tanks and armored vehicles participated in a large maneuver. Eventually, the South African Communist Party was brought to power through the ANC. So the battle for power in South Africa was won by the Soviet side. This is especially remarkable, since South Africa was a nuclear power at the time, with four or five nuclear devices."

It is remarkable, indeed, that a former KGB officer should remind us of something we never properly learned. "That is just one example," explained Kalashnikov. "Then there was the installation in Central America of certain people, like Daniel Ortega, who are still in place. There is a larger military situation, which is global, and is underestimated in its importance by Western analysts. There is an incorrect political assessment of what happened twenty years ago," he added. "They consider the fall of the Soviet Union as a decisive moment. What they missed was, that the forces of the Soviet Union retreated and regrouped. So what we have today is an obvious phenomenon. We have asymmetric warfare [i.e., terrorism] targeting Western capitals. Moscow has tenfold superiority over NATO in terms of tactical nuclear rockets. And that category is beyond any discussions between NATO and Russia. Moscow simply denies any need for talks on this."

The political establishments of the Western countries cannot confront the truth of what has happened. Hard decisions, in this case, are to be avoided. It is now unthinkable to devote resources to a new round of confrontations with Moscow. "And frankly speaking," said Kalashnikov. "The West is not so well equipped to react properly. In the case of the Germans, they nodded their heads and agreed with me. But what are they doing about it? Nothing. Here is Russia, pressing on the borders of NATO and supporting Hugo Chavez, and being victorious in Africa, and Europe is stuck with a crisis because millions of Muslims have immigrated here."

The Germans attempted to adopt politically correct attitudes toward Muslims. Now they see this is untenable, that they have a problem with so many Muslim immigrants in their midst. "The Germans are realizing they made a mistake and they cannot control the Muslim problem," says Kalashnikov. "So they expect a shift in politics, in culture, etc. So there is a huge complexity of problems that Western governments avoid to address, because they don't feel comfortable addressing them properly, let alone solving them. But the people in Moscow see this quite clearly."

One might say there are countries whose leaders look thirty years ahead, like we find in the Kremlin; and there are countries that wake up to find themselves fighting unwinnable wars and mired in hopeless domestic crises. "The Germans complained that the Russians are recruiting their people, extracting political information from them in a traditional way," Kalashnikov said with mild amusement. "They imagined the Russians had stopped doing this. But no, the Russians are still spying on Western leaders and attempting to study their political thinking. It is a systematic process of stealing confidential information from European leaders. And there is muted reaction from the Europeans."

NATO is disoriented, and must turn to Russia. At the same time, America and the dollar are growing weaker. There is a philosophy behind this process, says Kalashnikov. "Western intellectuals are still influenced by the idea of progress. That is basically wrong." The former KGB officer laughed at the idea that Russia would adopt Western values. "We are not about progress," he admitted. "Russians are happy already. The Russian elite ... would never admit that Western norms would ever be transferred to Russia.... So there is a huge barrier, of the kind which can never be removed. The West thinks they are at a higher stage than Russia; but that is the source of many mistakes.


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We seem to have a perfect match between Nostradamus prediction and current events.  (assuming you haven't blinded yourself with self deceptions)  The "Standard Picture" of Nostradamus shows no signs of becoming incorrect. (after nearly a decade)
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on November 23, 2010, 05:10:52 PM
http://ww-iii.tripod.com/

It is hard to understand at this stage why Russia would suddenly attack Europe. Yet, most of the prophecies seem to agree on this part. Logically too, it is only Russia which has the capability to take on the might of USA and Europe, even after the break up of its empire. It still has sufficient nuclear weapons, technology and manpower to do so. The overall picture of the events leading to the World War is not clear. What appears from some prophecies is that immediately preceding the war, Russia would have tensions with the west over some Middle Eastern affair. But the actual war would begin after the assassination of a political leader in the Balkan area, who could be the famous "Mabus" often discussed in the context of Nostradamus's prophecies. The Russian attack might be a result of its perception that the assassination, probably in one of its friendly countries, could be a prelude to an western invasion and the best way would be to pre-empt it. A major terrorist attack on the US, assassination of some world leaders and another war in the Middle East may precede the Third World War, apart from numerous natural disasters. Some prophecies say that before the 3rd World War, Israel would grant statehood to Palestine. Then oil would be discovered there and a war would start between Israel and Palestine. It is probable that it is this war that would generate tensions between USA and Russia, since US and Russian fleets are said to confront each other in a tense standoff in the Mediterranean before the war in yet another prophecy.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/news.aspx/139163

Central Israel Oil Discovery: 1.5 Billion Barrels
 
by Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu

Estimates of the amount of oil in the Rosh HaAyin discovery have rises to 1.5 billion barrels, and there is more oil off-shore, but it is not yet known how much of the “black gold” can be extracted for commercial use.

The new estimate, along with the gas and oil finds off the Mediterranean Coast, raise the likelihood that Israel will be self-sufficient for energy for the next three decades and even become an exporter of gas. The amount of oil at Rosh HaAyin represents a tiny percentage of Israel's oil consumption, but development is continuing in the area as well as in the Dead Sea.


...remember that the original "Standard Picture" website first posted that about a decade ago.  The discovery of oil is recent.

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Though to be fair there were indications from geologists that the potential for large oil and natural gas discoveries in the area were likely...  but the actual confirmation wasn't until more recently.  So at the time of the original "Standard Picture" writing the idea that large oil discoveries were possible was still a "theory" at that time.  (so you can argue it was a "good guess" based on those events)

It's not big deal I guess.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on November 26, 2010, 08:02:08 PM
Perhaps one of the most amusing aspects on Nostradamus is the lack of intelligence displayed by said commentators and readers alike, one can literally claim anything attributed to the French prognosticator !
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on November 27, 2010, 09:15:04 AM
...one can literally claim anything attributed to the French prognosticator !

I can understand your misunderstanding.

The quote was actually from this site:

http://ww-iii.tripod.com/

...which I've been referring to as the inspiration of the "Standard Picture" which this thread is about.

While that website uses Nostradamus as a reference they actually go beyond him and include all other sources that can be found to arrive at the final picture.

So technically I was NOT saying it was attributed to Nostradamus, but to the website.

This is more from that website:

My approach to deciphering the quatrains is based on the assumption that if a world wide war of this magnitude indeed takes place, it must have been mentioned in prophecies written in various religious texts and prophecies of non-religious nature which are part of the folklore of different cultures. I believe that a comparative study of all such prophecies vis-ŕ-vis those of Nostradamus,  along with insights into the local culture, tradition, history etc. may enable us to construct a more detailed picture of the prophesized events than what is possible by studying an individual prophecy in isolation. Most of these prophecies concentrate on the local perspective of a global war. But by finding out the similarities with other prophecies, we can find the global connection of the local events.

...so it's a "derivative" site, not all source material from a single source.

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This gets back to the original idea of the thread that there is a reality to all of this and what we are really talking about is the collective knowledge extracted from the "Quantum Coherence" world we live in by many people who are Mediums.

In the "big picture" Nostradamus is not unique... he is but one Medium of many who have used their skill to catch a glipse into the future.

So we are thankful for ALL KNOWLEDGE and not just Nostradamus.

We aren't "Nostradamus Snobs" if you catch my drift...  (astrologer types)
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: ods on November 28, 2010, 03:08:49 AM
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In my opinion this comparison in not very far away from the explanation given by Nostradamus; obviously there are differences at all, and some other problems still remain unsolved. But the assumtion, that we human beings are only and solely a biological machine, makes a valid prediction in the future impossible. Nevertheless I know, that this assumption is popular.

This was the primary obstacle that I was hoping to address.

As "modern humans" who are trained as rational beings all the vague occult knowledge of Nostradamus can seem like absolute garbage. 
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My goal was to present (using Quantum Physical truths) a framework of the world and how our biology and electrical consciousness might interact so that Mediums are not just fools or scoundrels.

Yes, I see that. However, in my opinion this will not work. But we will very likely not solve the differences.

What you say about WWIII sounds good. I had a simmilar opinion about 25 years ago. But nothing happend there; I was completely wrong. And unfortunally that is the destiny of all(?) people, who are interpreting Nostradamus. We will see what will happen, and I wish you success with the interpretation (only the interpretation, I will not live in a war zone).

I cannot find a connection between Chiren and your quotation of the Letter to Henry. Assuming, that your quotation means WWIII, do you have an additional hint, that Chiren is involved here?

One note: for X.80 you gave a wrong text or wrong number.

@Ecosse:
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To be practising "the dark arts" puts Nostradamus outside the church as well as his jokes about the Virgin!

"Occult" is not necessarily "dark art". Nostradamus was not thrown out of the church. And I also see no jokes about the virgin.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on November 28, 2010, 09:28:41 AM
I cannot find a connection between Chiren and your quotation of the Letter to Henry. Assuming, that your quotation means WWIII, do you have an additional hint, that Chiren is involved here?

The Letter to Henry is supposed to be a broad overview of time and the quatrains are like little snapshots of individual events.  Chiren (Chyren) is clearly described as a "Great Leader" in the quatrains, but in the Letter he's referred to indirectly if at all. (will have to look back on it)

[I.63]
Pestilences extinguished, the world becomes smaller,
for a long time the lands will be inhabited peacefully.
People will travel safely through the sky, land and seas :
then wars will start up again


How long is "for a long time"?

You say that once 25 years ago you expected Russia and America (the two brothers) to go to war, except that in Nostradamus he has a quatrain that talks about how there is peace first before the war.  I've often used the analogy of a GLACIER when dealing with intuitive Medium like events.  Just like with a glacier it appears to not move to the naked eye, but in fact it is moving, but so slowly as to be impossible to notice.  When a big chunk breaks off a glacier that's like a Nostradamus Quatrain...  an actual "event".  One has to ask oneself if one only counts the actual breaking off of the chunk as the "event" or is the whole "process" of glacial movement the "event"?

I think you just have to set a "Standard Picture" of expectation and then wait.

...so far nothing has happened to siginificantly change the expectations, so why would one give up on those expectations?

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Creating Failure

The process for disilusionment usually goes like this:

Step One: Assume a short and tight timeline and an event to occur within it.

Step Two: Wait for the timeline to expire.

Step Three: Become disillusioned and then attack the next person that makes a poor framework.

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What is better is to have open ended timelines (glacial) and wait without prejudice.  If events deviate from your "Standard Picture" significantly then you would have to realize something was wrong.

A case in point:

Here in America it "made no sense" for Obama to be elected.  From the Nostradamus perspective we are soon to enter the "Age of Chiren" which is a conservative and self protective period (more along the lines of the Tea Party) not the "Hope and Change" that Obama fantasized about in 2008.  At that time I was beginning to think that the whole "Standard Picture" timeline was wrong, but now it's clear it was not wrong.  Obama is an insignificant bump in the road to something else.

Sometimes "sticking to the Standard Picture" even when on the surface it appears wrong (momentarily) allows you to see the priorities that Nostradamus had.

Nostradamus was a LOVER of leadership like that of Chiren.  He chose to celebrate the leaders he liked and ignored those he did not.  Nostradamus would not have thought Obama worthy of mention in history so he didn't.  Omission is something to add to the "glacial view" to fill out the timeline.  Nostradamus hits just the "peaks" and only where HE thinks it's important.

There is such a thing as a "Nostradamus Bias". (absorb his bias and you see his view)

Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on November 29, 2010, 04:48:01 PM
Chiren and the Letter To Henry...

In the Quatrains Nostradamus clearly talks about a "Great King" of Europe named Chiren (Chyren) that sits in a leadership position of the Western forces fighting against the Easterners. (Muslims)

But in The Letter To Henry this is as close as Nostradamus gets to naming Chiren:

What great oppression will then fall upon the Princes and Governors of Kingdoms, especially those which will be maritime and Eastern, whose tongues will be intermingled with all others: the tongue of the Latins, and of the Arabs, via the Phoenicians. And all these Eastern Kings will be chased, overthrown and exterminated, but not altogether, by means of the forces of the Kings of the North, and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another.

The grammer on this is diffucult...  I've seen people diverge widely on what they think this means, but if we see it as part of a whole it makes more sense.  Let me try to restate this in modern english grammer:

The leaders of the Muslim forces (their people now speak many languages, not just arabic) will all be defeated in battle, however, it's not just because of the Western leaders that they fail.  Another reason the Muslims fail is that they have a lot of infighting between differing Muslim groups fighting for control. (sunni, shiite, indonesian muslims, etc)

...when one translates into modern grammer it makes sense.  Chiren would just be one of the Western leaders in this reference.  Remember that it's the combined leadership of the Americans, Russians and Europeans that come together under Chiren to finally defeat the Muslims that apparently get a lot further along (with their attacks) than we might expect right now.  This is probably due in part because the war starts with Russia and America on opposite sides and they pretty much take each other out of the war early on.  The power vacuum is filled by the Muslims who simply see a great opportunity to press their advantage.  Nostradamus seems to admire
Chiren a great deal because he's French or from some place nearby and again this is the "Nostradamus Bias" popping up again.  Nostradamus was from France so he tends to overly glorify Chiren.  In truth all the Western forces defeat the Muslims who are for the most part simply thugs and terrorists causing trouble.   It's easier to cause trouble as a terrorist than to try to defend against it. (as we have seen recently)

Anyway, that's my take on it...

Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on November 29, 2010, 06:36:40 PM
I suppose there is not any US Presidents mentioned by Nostradamus,  is it that they are all unworthy of mention?

Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on November 30, 2010, 01:06:06 PM
[X.72]
The year 1999 and September month,
from the sky will come the great King of Terror.
He will awaken the great king of the Angolmois.
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.


I translate this to mean:

[X.72]
Some year that is close to the actual time of September 11,
From the sky will come debt and terror.
He will wake up the president of America.
Who gets lucky in his war with Iraq that happens to take place during the Mars close pass.


So to fill it out more...

Nostradamus probably guessed at the year 1999 based on astrology and got it slightly wrong. (it's okay for Nostradamus or any Medium to make mistakes)  I'm sure the psychic impression of the word "September" as in "September 11" got through to Nostradamus.  But the year is not as strong of an impression in the sense that we refer to the event in our minds as "Sept 11" and not "september eleventh in the year two thousand and one".  So without an exact knowledge of the year Nostradamus tried to figure it out and went with 1999.  Either that or he picked a year two years before the event in order to try to warn us in advance. (with no success obviously)

From the sky came not only "terror" but the excessive response to the situation that created our present "debt" situation.  Nostradamus seems to have used a word that can mean either "terror" or "debt" with slight modification. (an apostrophe...  see below ***)  Keep in mind that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were encouraged to stimulate the economy by giving loans to people who could not afford homes at that time and this added greatly to the debt problems we have now.  The "terror" of 911 helped to close our eyes to the unwise decisions that increased the "debt". (and allowed Obama to sneak in afterwards)

Someone got woken up and the word "Angolmois" is completely made up by Nostradamus.  People have filled in the word "Angolmois" to mean just about anything, but the only significant event to have occured in the last decade was 911.  By the way...  right after 911 it was Bush that held a 92% approval rating that sets a record for highest of any president of all time, which earns Bush the "Great King" label by Nostradamus.

The invasion of Iraq was a "slam dunk" for Bush and it occured at a time when Mars passed closer to earth than any time in thousands of years.

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But to answer your question:

NO ...I don't think that Nostradamus gets very close to talking about US presidents directly.  This was as close as I think he got and it takes a lot of "interpreting" to get there.

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http://www.bookoflife.org/history/france/nostradamus/lespropheties/X.LXXII/MNX7208_translation.html

*** d’ effraieur or d’effrayeur literally means ‘extreme fright,’ and is connotative to the expression of 'terror.' 'Terror' has been used by many Nostradamus interpreters as a normative expression for the last word in line two of this poem. Terror as a word came from the middle east long ago, so the French had to adopt the term during modern times. But we look to the meaning of this word without an apostrophe. It did exist in the French vocabulary prior to the sixteenth century. Deffraieur:  Modern French: \De*fray"er\, n. One who pays off expenses. Something exchanged for something else is often used in French court records. This word is directly related to economic policies of the ‘grand Roy' of line two, in the prophecy. However, we are concerned with the Old French version. It doesn't change. The definition fits the modern Enlgish term of defrayment/defrayer. This adjective Nostradamus used, is directly linked with the shorter noun version of Defray: To undertake the payment of (costs or expenses); pay. Francis Bacon used an archaic version which he defined as 'To alienate the sacred office of The Church.' However, this was a result of an action preformed by the one who defrayed. In some sense it applies to an attitude or perspective of contemplating the prime actor -- i.e. the defrayer.

Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on December 01, 2010, 09:01:09 AM
From the sky will come a great King of Terror:
To bring back to life the great King of the Mongols

...one of the most common ways to translate the Quatrain, no doubt.

However, as shown before, the term "Terror" comes from the original term "d’effrayeur" which can mean terror or "defray" a debt.  

The bigger problem is with the idea of "Mongol".  The word "Angolmois" is what is REALLY WRITTEN and that's not a real word anywhere except with Nostradamus.  People act as if the literal word written was "Mongol".

Think of the time period from 1999 to the present...

What happened?

There is only one "big event" and it was 911 and nothing else and it had the word "September" in it's psychic impression.  Nostradamus would "sense" the word "September" very, very clearly.

Anyway...

The idea here is to present the "Standard Picture" of events and not really detour into alternative interpretations.  The "Standard Picture" has an internal consistency to it that follows actual history very closely. (so far)

Study Question:

Look for the term "Angolmois" and see if through your research you can do better than anyone else in explaining what it's supposed to mean.  It does not mean "Mongols" by default, so it's an OPEN QUESTION of it's exact meaning.

...see if you can do better! (search term: "ANGOLMOIS")

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Let's review what was written almost a decade ago on the "Standard Picture" website:

http://ww-iii.tripod.com/sequence.htm

On 11th September 2001, terrorists crashed three jumbo jets on the World Trade Center twin towers in New York and on Pentagon bringing the towers down and causing damage to the Pentagon in the biggest ever terror attack this world has seen. "King of Terror", the ultimate form of terrorism indeed came from the sky that day. The date on which this event took place was two years after 1999 but the quatrain describes the rest of the events wonderfully. It is said that prophesized dates often do not come true as the exact time of any event depends on human free will. "King of Angolmois", probably means the King of America (Anglomois?) i.e the US President, who "awakened" to the scourge of terrorism and started his "War on Terror". USA had good luck in the wars (Mars - the God of War) that followed in Afghanistan and in Iraq.

20-20 Hindsight

Right after 911 President Bush really was the "Great King of the Americans":

(http://newspirates.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/bush-poll.gif)

...it just didn't last forever. (his luck ran out)

This chart compares the peaks of all the presidents rated:

(http://www.threesources.com/pix/info-presapp0605-all.gif)

...as signals go the "Bush Peak" is very sharp and clear.  It would be hard not to sense that in that moment in history the "Great King of America" was a powerful presence in the world.

Obama is falling below 40% already.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on December 01, 2010, 06:49:15 PM
Angolmois is an anagram for Mongolias. 'Standard picture'....I don't know about that.

The "Standard Picture" is my own term...  it's the topic of this thread.

It refers to this website:

http://ww-iii.tripod.com/sequence.htm

...as for the anagram, well, there are so many, many theories about individual quatrains.

The main concept here (in the "Standard Picture") is to get away from the fragmented chasing after quatrains as individual scattered entities and to move into a coherent image of what had happened and what will happen by coordinating all sources of information in a rational way.

Can ANYONE deny that from the year 1999 to the present that no event comes close to equaling the significance of 911?

...so that's the answer.  If Nostradamus creates a quatrain about a specific date then you have to make interpretations that match the era.

There was an "evil king" (Osama Bin Laden) and a "good and lucky king". (President Bush)

To plug in other values for those two would not be honest towards the timeframe.

Agreed?

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Often people seem to overlook the most obviously correct answer because they want to pleasure their intellect with something exotic.  The most straight forward 20-20 hindsight interpretation is usually going to be the one that is correct.

One calls this the "common sense" answer.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: ods on December 05, 2010, 04:10:08 AM
Just one word about the translation, because I see, that the translation is bad.

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[I.63]
Pestilences extinguished, the world becomes smaller,
for a long time the lands will be inhabited peacefully.
People will travel safely through the sky, land and seas :
then wars will start up again

The original text is:

Les fleaux passés diminue le monde,
Long temps la paix terres inhabitées:
Seur marchera par ciel, terre, mer, & onde:
Puis de nouveau les guerres suscitées.

The lyon-edition, that may be regarded as the best one, has one difference. Instead of "fleaux" (=plague, scourge) there is written "fleurs" (=flowers). But more important is the word "inhabitées", which means, that nobody is living there. So "uninhabited" should be the right translation.

Unfortunally there are a lot of bad translations. Sometimes I saw translations, that have nearly nothing to do with the original text.

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[X.72]
The year 1999 and September month,
from the sky will come the great King of Terror.
He will awaken the great king of the Angolmois.
Before and after Mars to reign by good luck.

I translate this to mean:

[X.72]
Some year that is close to the actual time of September 11,
From the sky will come debt and terror.
He will wake up the president of America.
Who gets lucky in his war with Iraq that happens to take place during the Mars close pass.

Here the translation is also not very good; maybe no final translation can be given at all. And what you do here is "stretching and kneading" the text until it matches. Of course it is allowed to do so. In my opinion that should not be done.

There is an easy answer. From the Epistle to Henry II:

...of the regions, countries and most of the towns and cities of all Europe, including Africa and part of Asia, where most of all these coming events are to transpire.

So neither both Americas nor Australia and Oceania are in the primary scope of Nostradamus. Some events outside the mentioned area may be included, but in general I would not expect to find an event outside this area, that has (nearly) no influence in France. So also the eruption of the volcano krakatau in 1883 was very likely not mentioned by Nostradamus.

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There is such a thing as a "Nostradamus Bias". (absorb his bias and you see his view)

Oh, yes. You are absolutely right.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on December 05, 2010, 04:31:13 PM
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[I.63]
Pestilences extinguished, the world becomes smaller

The original text is:

Les fleaux passés diminue le monde,

The lyon-edition, that may be regarded as the best one, has one difference. Instead of "fleaux" (=plague, scourge) there is written "fleurs" (=flowers).

Somehow the idea of:

Flowers extinguished, the world becomes smaller

...doesn't pass the "common sense" test even if the word is literally more correct.

for a long time the lands will be inhabited peacefully.
People will travel safely through the sky, land and seas :

...and if you "flip" the meaning it goes to:

for a long time the lands will be uninhabited and be peaceful.
People will travel safely through the sky, land and seas :

...(or something like this) then the second line is contradicting the third line.  How can a population of "people" travel safely around the world when the world is not inhabited?

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We shouldn't assume that Nostradamus is perfect in either his visions or in his writings.  A better way is to use his writings as a "suggestion" about future events and then open your eyes to the real world and see if the two are looking the same.  

The "Standard Picture" has this "see reality first" foundation that the cherrypicking of quatrains does not.  Maybe Nostradamus is COMPLETELY WRONG and if so wouldn't a strong grasp of the world we actually live in be a good backup plan?

The "Standard Picture" and reality should be the same...  or the "Standard Picture" needs to be adjusted to fit reality.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on December 05, 2010, 04:39:29 PM
WikiLeaks Supports Nostradamus

Not on purpose, but some of the information that was revealed about Russia supports the "Standard Picture" of that state as being the likely aggressor in Europe at the start of WWIII.

From:

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/icky-leaks

Sensitive diplomatic communications have been published by the Wikileaks Web site, and some of this sensitive material concerns Russia. The importance of Russia as a global power has been downplayed since the fall of the Soviet Union. Leaked U.S. State Department cables give us a glimpse of how dangerous Russia is becoming. The true nature of the Russian regime has not been a popular topic of public discussion; but in secret meetings between diplomats, statesmen and law enforcement officials, there is growing concern. Russia has become the center of international corruption, drawing other states into her orbit.

So our "common sense" intuition about Russia, Wikileaks, and Nostradamus are all in agreement that the coming WWIII will have as part of it's origins the encroachment of Russia into Europe.

The "Standard Picture" continues to hold it's framework intact...
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on December 14, 2010, 07:08:00 AM
What To Do About It?

Assuming the "Standard Picture" is in most part correct and that WWIII is coming where the East (Russia) attacks the West (America and Europe) and the Muslim terrorists then jump in to make matters worse before things are settled down...  what should we do about it?

I don't know.

The fact that most people are unaware of what is going on underneath (Russia not "cured" after the so called end of the Cold War) allows things to proceed without the awareness of the general public.  This seems to almost be a criteria for an event to occur, that people just don't see it.

So let's assume we "see" the situation approaching, what difference does our advanced warning do for us?

If widespread nuclear war is coming to the cities, then one might choose a location in the country as a higher survival place to live, but many would almost prefer to die than have to give up their urban lifestyle.

If you knew an auto accident was about to occur, but had no real chance to have any way to prevent the crash isn't it even worse to watch than had you not known?
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Superfluous Soul on December 14, 2010, 07:53:27 PM
E=mc2--> |Energy|= (mass*speed of light)(-mass*-speed of light) -->(m+c)(-m-c)-->|E|=E|E=(m+c)(m-c)/(-m+c)(-m-c)

If correct, then the value of the inverse of energy in a negative state is proportional to the value of energy in a positive state.  Ergo: a particle faster than the speed of light exhibits negative time dilation and a particle at sub light speed exhibits positive time dilation.  The equation states that both particles are present mathematically; even if the inverse cannot be measured it is still present.  Thus, every particle is in a state of positive motion, negative motion, and non-motion simultaneously.  (I think my math is off, but then again I'm not a rocket scientist, so bear with me if you do understand advanced calculus as it is merely meant to underline the state of quantum mechanics, not define it.)

So, as you can see, there is a 'you' walking through this particular universe on a positive (past to future) time trek as well as an alternate 'you' traversing a negative (future to past) time trek and a 'you' that experiences no time trek at all.  When these 'yous' pass through each other, as is rarely the case unless you happen to be near your optimum trek in an infinite amount of possibilities, some of the energy of a particular moment is transferred between the 'yous'.  This is how prophesy is possible: as that moment is perceived by the 'you' on a positive trek, 'you' gain the knowledge of that future event.  Now here's where it gets really interesting!

If you have knowledge of an event that is certain to transpire, then you have the ability to change that  event as you see fit.  So, if you see a point in the future where you see your death for some reason, then you can take a lateral transition through thought
into a universe where that future does not exist and therefore prevent your own death by making the proper adjustments to divert your life path.  How do I know this?  Because I've used this technique of remote viewing and foretelling to save the lives of over three dozen people whom I have come in contact with from certain death, including some of the most influential people alive today whose names for the moment, I shall leave out but will become readily apparent in the near future when my task is revealed.  I am not like 'you', yet I am not unlike 'you' either.  What makes  me unique is the ability to utilize parts of my brain that most do not as wll as a specific genetic advantage that allows me to do things that 'you' as of yet are unable to do.  This will not remain the case for much longer as all of 'your' potential is realized.  This is the message I was born to deliver to 'you'.  This is the purpose of the Superfluous Soul, the superhero if you will.  Unfortunately, this power only applies to those things that you yourself are directly involved.  You cannot become more than your destiny allows, but you can achieve maximum effect!  In that I leave you in hope and peace, may God shine upon you and all your children!        al Jeddah.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on December 15, 2010, 02:39:57 PM
If you have knowledge of an event that is certain to transpire, then you have the ability to change that  event as you see fit.  So, if you see a point in the future where you see your death for some reason, then you can take a lateral transition through thought into a universe where that future does not exist and therefore prevent your own death by making the proper adjustments to divert your life path.

The "many possible universes" approach.

However, if there is validity in Nostradamus and we have come this far with a static "Standard Picture" as presented by the Quatrains (reinforced by other sources) then if we did actually divert the timeline then the "Standard Picture" would be broken.

It's possible that if we actually changed the "Standard Picture" by our actions that because we did we would lose faith in the "Standard Picture" we used as justification for our decisions in the first place.

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It's a little like Obama saying:

"My administration has saved or created a million jobs."

...maybe in an alternative universe the jobs actually were lost and things would have been even worse (like 25% unemployment rather than 10%) but since things went as they did the losses never materialized so we never experienced that reality.

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My feeling is that it would take a "mass awareness" of what is going on to actually effect a change in the timeline.  So far people are "properly incorrect" in their assessment of things and so we proceed forward (blindly) as predicted.

Cause and Effect

The "cause" of the flow of the timeline is public opinion from deep seated attitudes.  The "effect" will be the timeline progressing normally and the "Standard Picture" actually playing out as expected with Russia attacking Europe and Muslims exploiting the chaos until things settle down with the West as the ultimate victor.

It's very hard to change core trends...  you can misread events (and think you are making change) but it's harder to really get in and change anything.

In other words most of the "thought" of change is itself an illusion.  One dreams of other worlds while in this one things (actually) stay the same.

I'm pessimistic that real change ever occurs.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on December 23, 2010, 10:52:46 AM
2014?

In the "king of terror" quatrain the date of 1999 is off by two years ahead of 2001.

Assuming that this was "intentional" and not an "accident" by Nostradamus then maybe the suggestion through the "Lost Book of Nostradamus" that the significance of the galactic alignment date of 2012 will also be off by a similiar amount?

Maybe 2012 (december) comes and goes and no WWIII happens?

(and all the whiners complain about how wrong Nostradamus was)

Then everyone forgets the issue and gets complacent and then the real war starts later.

This would be typical human behavior.

Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 07, 2011, 12:07:42 PM
More About Russia's "Killer State" Mindset Leading Into WWIII

http://www.financialsense.com/contributors/jr-nyquist/origins-of-a-killer-state

Origins of a Killer State
Submitted by JR Nyquist on Fri, 7 Jan 2011

Earlier this week KGB Lt. Col. Victor Kalashnikov, who has been making news in Germany, discussed with me the origins of the Soviet regime, and the current Russian regime. Kalashnikov's interest in history led him to uncover the Soviet Union's initial phase of development during the Russian Civil War. This initial phase helps us to understand the later path of Soviet development, and the current Russian obsession with war preparations. Here we find the idea that a thing may be better known by exploring its early development, as in the psychological theories of Sigmund Freud. One might say that Kalashnikov has insights into the early childhood of the Soviet regime. Does such a regime actually have the equivalent of a childhood? Whatever metaphor you prefer, a totalitarian state does not sprout from the ground like a head of lettuce, or a cabbage. Totalitarianism seems to develop out of a relentless type of hatred and mass killing. It is born from a conflict that partakes of figurative cannibalism, of an appetite for human flesh. Here we find the story of thousands or millions of human victims, and the killers who built a system upon the bones of the dead.  

Kalashnikov began our conversation by commenting on the recent Khordorkovsky trial, saying it was "a good example of the corruption ongoing at the highest levels" of the Russian state. Mikhail Khordorkovsky had been the wealthiest man in Russia, and chief executive of Russia's largest oil company, Yukos. He was arrested on 25 October 2003 in Novosibirsk on charges of fraud. In his final statement at his second trial, Khordorkovsky asked what entrepreneurs and creative individuals will think of such a trial where the outcome is set in advance. The conclusion, he said, is chilling in its simplicity. "There is no right of private property [in Russia]. No person who conflicts with the 'system' has any rights whatsoever. Even when enshrined in law, rights are not protected by the courts." Because, he said, the courts are a fraud.

"It is the worst case," said Kalashnikov about Khordorkovsky. The top guys who were actually running Yukos were KGB generals, and Kalashnikov named them.  Most contracts were arranged through these KGB men, he said. "No serious action [within Yukos] on the side of Khordorkovsky or others was thinkable without their direct authorization. I had to realize that, here in Germany and Austria, not everyone would be ready or happy to be reminded of this. There is a certain mutual understanding between the West and Moscow ... so they are quite reluctant to look closely into this issue."

Not only was the trial a fraud, but even Khordorkovsky proves to be a fraud. Russia is, in fact, a layer cake where each layer is sugared with fraud. Why had this system made Khordorkovsky into an "oligarch." Why was that same system destroying him? It is for the same reason that, under Lenin and Stalin, the Soviet state created the entrepreneurs of the New Economic Policy (NEP men) in the 1920s, and subsequently destroyed them. It goes to the nature of the regime. But where was this nature acquired? How did it come about? What is it, exactly, and how may we know it? Part of the answer lies in the desire to win over the West, or the Western media. "When I joined the analytical department in January 85, the standard analytical memo to the Politburo was not to exceed two pages in print. Then, with Gorbachev in power, that was downsized to one and a half, then to one page. Then, starting around 1990, when the crisis was already in sight, there was an instruction from the KGB chief in Moscow, that any such memo would attach a sheet of paper in which I would explain in ten lines the heart of the issue, the most important substance of the analysis. Along that way, from two pages to ten lines, a lot of things had been washed out. All the "isms" were washed out -- like communism, proletarianism, etc. All necessary things for key decision makers excluded such terms. What remained in the end? I can summarize it in two critical things, based on 1990 guidelines: (1) What shall we do to stay somewhat longer in power, physically? (2) What do they in Washington, Vienna, London, etc. write about us? What do they think of Gorbachev, etc.?"

Thus, explained Kalashnikov, the regime was interested in the timing of its own demise, and in the way its leading figures were seen in the West. This was the all-important component. And for the individual political actor: "What do they think of me?" The regime's script (as it were), and the political actor's reception upon the stage, depended upon the Western audience. Were they buying the act? Were they applauding, or ready to throw fruit at those occupying the stage?

"When the Soviet Union was already in the past," began Kalashnikov, "I managed to establish a stable relationship with the very nice ladies who kept the library of the Central Committee [of the Communist Party Soviet Union] in Moscow. At that time the Internet was not widely spread, so the library was full of Western magazines and newspapers and so on. So I was happy to help those nice ladies to compile information packages to meet requests from their new masters in the Kremlin. What I first remembered was the new democrats that had knowledge of English. But many others, probably the majority, formulated their own questions. Listen, Jeff, they were the exact two sets of questions: (1) What does the West think about the stability of our own position in the Kremlin? (2) What do they think in Washington, Vienna, London, etc., about me. So the key priorities of the key decision-makers were, excepting the English speakers, the same as before. This seems to be a basic law of power in Russia. So Occam's razor brings us to our discussion of communism. It was a cover for a certain power strategy, and that is final. In this regard, I think, from a similar perspective, just washing away all the unnecessary isms of ideology, all those over-abundant categories of thought, we get closer to the nature of the regime established in Russia during 1917-18. As you would probably agree, Western Sovietologists gave a lot of attention to communist ideas and certain Bolshevik resolutions, to the materials presented by Lenin, Trotsky and Stalin. In those resolutions one may find references to German philosophers of the 19th century, but when, as a journalist, I was able to go deeper into the Russian reality, I traveled to the Russian provinces in my new capacity, where the huge gap between ideology and what really happened in the revolution exceeded my most dramatic expectations."

It is important to distinguish between ideology and what really happens in the world. When our heads are stuffed with ideology, our expectations are those of a fool. When we look at reality without ideology, we see something that is generally outside our expectations. Ideology and reality belong to different realms. Ideology belongs to the childish side of the imagination, while reality is the realm of the wise.  The two things, ideology and reality, never coincide, ever. The reasons were outlined by Gustav Le Bon in his study of crowd behavior, where he stated: "The philosophic absurdity that often marks general beliefs has never been an obstacle to their triumph.... In consequence, the evident weakness of the socialist beliefs of today will not prevent their triumph among the masses.... The socialist ideal of happiness [and] ...  the vanity of its promises will at once appear as soon as the first efforts toward their realization are made...."

Kalashnikov described that point where the socialist ideal of happiness first encountered reality, and came undone like a cheap sweater. "Probably you've heard something of the Tambov uprising," he said. "The Tambov area was a huge part of central Russia. It was three times larger in older times. It was a normal rural area, fairly stable, inhabited by farmers, along with handicrafts, and very religious, decent people. Now, the Bolsheviks came and imposed a lot of duties on them. So they revolted. The result in 1919 was not just an uprising but the formation of a republic with its own armies and police. So this huge armed conflict started. Lenin correctly identified the Tambov uprising as the most dangerous one to his regime. This is why the Bolsheviks stopped pushing against Europe and turned East. Their best generals and armies were thrown against the Tambov area. The official reason was to occupy Tambov. During that war, the key episode of the Russian Civil War, was the elimination of large segments of the male population in this particular area. In 1991 the regional KGB department was alarmed. For some reason, the opening of records in Novosibirsk, shed some light on what happened in Tambov. One third of the population was killed. The Bolsheviks were experimenting on people with torture and extermination techniques. When I started to explain to the Germans what happened in Tambov, they were shocked. Those who you would expect to be best prepared for such revelations, researchers into the Holocaust, were surprised at the sophisticated methods of hostage taking (to reveal hidden fighters), and the manner of executions used by the Bolsheviks. A lot of this history is simply incredible. The Bolsheviks introduced a system of concentration camps for men, women, elderly people and children, with various types of terror and indoctrination. That's what they called an occupation. But the most important thing, what emerged from the ruins of the Tambov Republic, was a permanent system of police control. From time to time they practiced, yet again, hostage taking, indoctrination, Komsomol  [youth wing of the Communist Party], and now, the next stage: - they distributed this occupational regime to the rest of the country; so that socialism emerged not from Marx and Engels, but from the practice of occupying Tambov. That was the real socialism Stalin accomplished and accommodated. That system was ideal for preparing Russia for the next stage in revolutionary war. If you read  Red Army papers from the late 1920s and 30s, you will find a lot of stuff regarding the kind of regime they would establish in the liberated areas of Europe."

According to Kalashnikov, in the period immediately following the Russian Civil War, Soviet military theorists saw Poland as their main enemy. It was assumed that Moscow would attack Poland and carry out Sovietization. A new regime would be established. Kalashnikov said: "The summary is as follows: We 'liberate' a given area to the West, then we bring in 5,000 political commissars, so that in two or three weeks they will establish the basis for a Soviet system." The measures proposed in Red Army plans were derived from the experience of setting up the Tambov occupation regime. The generals and police officials of the Soviet Union gradually improved their methods. Subduing an area became a science. The overall idea was simple, according to Kalashnikov: "We kill all our enemies." In the 1920s the Soviet strategists were naming certain villages in Poland or Belarus. "The Army commanders were planning to establish a Soviet regime [in Poland]. At the top of everything," said Kalashnikov, "was bringing in and putting up a powerful communist party. Of course, we will find some local activists, and together with them we will establish revolutionary committees. But local resources are not sufficient in this regard. So we need commissars and experts to supplement them, along with the Red Army. I must underline this part of the military strategy so you will see that the Bolshevik regime was not just a product of ideology, but a military way of thinking. What do we do with an area taken by the military machine? Sovietization was a military strategy, on which ideological cover was given by communism."

And so, the Soviet Union was a gigantic military formation. It is not about economics, or consumerism, or building socialism. It is about taking and occupying territory. In today's Russia, says Kalashnikov, "the military represents a force, a complex, which was behind bringing Putin and his clique to power because they needed somebody to take political responsibility for the huge bloodshed in the Caucasus. Now we have what we have. Now everybody is talking about Putin, his mistresses, his wrongdoings. Forget it. The Russian military is the key player. It is their doing. They elaborate and carry out the main Russian foreign policy, which is a military policy, worldwide. To bring it to the core of the issue, Russian foreign and military policy should be regarded as a military strategy of the Russian armed forces. Starting with 1917 we see how ideology served as a cover; but in reality it is a military policy which has fascist characteristics. Putin's billionaire friends do not fit into the Marxist idea. Russia is supposedly a democracy, but no Western international rules are relevant for us, so Khordorkovsky is our internal affair."

What people say, what they think, is different than what they really are. It is even possible that they keep this truth from themselves. Conquest is the obsession of the Russian political culture. Lenin has been described as a "militaristic politician." Here is the true character of Russia's political tendency laid bare. "An important point," added Kalashnikov: "We should not forget that in terms of Soviet military strategy, the full country was regarded as a sort of rear area for international global expansion. This is very important, since most Sovietologists consider the Soviet regime to be a totalitarian system as such. This is not correct. A totalitarian system was there for another reason; namely, for mobilization of resources, for war readiness. Even when a child, I was participating in huge military games around Moscow. I was awarded a medal in 1964 by General Golikov, formerly the head of military intelligence under Stalin. So the Soviet Union was the rear area in purely military terms. Every case of dissent was considered by the Fifth Directorate first in terms of foreign influence. Dissidents were therefore considered a foreign element, as sort of intruders, or spies. Secondary was the ideology of these people, or their ideas. The primary thing was the potential existence of a foreign wedge inside our military camp. Just look how the Russian authorities depict opposition personalities of today. 'You are foreign agents,' they say. 'You are agents of Hitler. It is impossible that our happy country would produce scoundrels like this. You are definitely working for our enemy.' Some journalists miss this aspect; but this is the basic policy of Russia for dealing with dissidents. And another idea: that a totalitarian regime is best suited for a certain kind of war, involving the mobilization of all resources."

So the Soviet system, and today's Russian system, is built for total mobilization. The totalitarian requirement is a necessary aspect of war readiness. You have to mobilize everyone, and put all resources into play. It does not matter of your society is relatively poor. Societies that are based on freedom cannot readily mobilize everyone. Such a society is slow to react, or to become a military formation. The bourgeoisie of the Western countries is invested in consumption. In Russia the low living standard is intentional, where all resources are reserved for military use, and is unknown in countries like America or Canada. Although these countries are wealthier than totalitarian countries like Russia or China, they cannot put their resources into immediate military use. In an era of nuclear missile weapons, when Russian can devastate the major cities of the United States, there will be no time to mobilize such resources for the American side, ever. The logic of the situation is not lost upon those who inherited the Soviet military machine. That is why the Russian state is continuing to develop its nuclear and missile potential. That is why the Russians resist every defensive barrier raised against them, whether it is National Missile Defense in the United States or half-hearted ABMs for Europe.

Toward the end of my conversation with Kalashnikov I asked his opinion of China's role in relation to Russia's military focus. "There is joint planning against America," he admitted. "Ultimately, they are sort of a military-political combination. Yes, it is like a bloc, but not like NATO. Russia's arsenal is a joint nuclear umbrella [for China and other states]. Again, as long as other observers get down to the practical issues of military strategy we get closer to the core of the matter. The distribution of military power is the key. Look at this and you will get an idea of who your friends are, and who are your enemies. That is my basic understanding of the issue."
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 09, 2011, 10:42:12 AM
Assassinations May Rise

Unfortunately there is supposed to be an increase in assassinations as we get closer to the conflict of WWIII.  America in particular is supposed to be actively involved in a sort of civil war (probably "liberals" vs "those that are not liberals") but when WWIII starts it ends any more internal struggles.

Sad to say...  we might be seeing more of the type of thing we saw in Tucson, AZ recently.

I hope not, but "hope" is just a kind of self comforting dreaming...  we can't expect things to get better just because we hope for it.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: jako on January 10, 2011, 12:42:57 AM
Chiren (Chyren)

Chiren is THE central figure of WWIII.

He becomes the leader of the Western forces in the latter part of WWIII.  He unifies the Americans and Russians in a campaign to liberate Europe which has been suffocated by internal muslim terrorism and attacks originating from the middle east.  Eventually Chiren becomes the "sole victor" of WWIII and brings about peace.  The name "Chiren" is likely not literal and there is debate about it's metaphorical meaning.  

Then will be accomplished the prophecy of the Royal Prophet, Let him hear the groaning of the captives, that he might deliver the children of those doomed to die.

Muslims will be imprisoned in large quantities, but due to the Holocaust a repeat of the massive cremation of muslims (jews) is not done in Europe and instead the choice is to let the women and children of the muslim terrorists be free.

This mercy upon muslim terrorists enhances the image of Chiren as being both ruthless in exterminating the muslim threat, but also generous in allowing the innocent to survive.  This goes a long way towards making things peaceful after the war.

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor - VI.70

Of Trojan blood he will be born with a German heart
and will rise to a very great power.
He will drive out the foreign, Arabic nation
and return the Church to her early glory - V.74

Selin king, Italy peaceful, kingdoms
united by the Christian King of the World.
When he dies he will want to lie in Blois territory,
having chased the pirates from the sea - IV.77

The great man led captive from a foreign land,
chained in gold, offered to King CHYREN.
He who in Ausonia, Milan will lose the war
and all his army put to fire and sword - IV.34

The king of Europe will come like a griffon,
accompanied by those of the North;
he will lead a great troop of red and white,
they will go against the king of Babylon - X.80


True ' sole title of victor ' is the key to his name.It is likely to be translation of the name in another language which most likely will not be english.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 10, 2011, 05:32:30 PM
You have to be careful about guessing too much about the intentions that Nostradamus might have in choosing "replacement" name titles.  The reason seems to be to insert a sort of "wildcard" into the place of a name.  If Nostradamus had simply named the important people up front, then it might actually change history as people might react to it.  By not directly naming people and putting something that "is similiar" in place it ensures that history is unaltered.  Why didn't he just say "the heck with it" and name people directly?  In the near term it was the church...  but for distant futures it should have been okay to be literal.

Anyway...  Nostradamus may have chosen a "wildcard" from a foreign language source, but it doesn't necessarily mean that he was trying to say that person was from a foreign place.   Chiren might have a Hindu connection, but that doesn't alter the "Standard Picture" that still places everything in Europe.

Chiren is:

European
Probably of Greek descent
A stubburn personality
Leads Europe to Victory
Is able to get Russia and America to become his allies
Defeats Muslim terrorism in Europe and in the Middle East
Dies of natural causes and is buried in France


...those are the expectations based on the "Standard Picture".
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on January 18, 2011, 04:29:08 PM
Gee and I thought the French king Henry(i) was the character who righted the world after one of it's darkest periods, seems we have to fall before any resurgence, also there are no winners after a nuclear exchange!
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 18, 2011, 07:01:20 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy

"He is the son of Pál István Ernő Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa, who is of French Catholic and Greek Jewish origin...

...His paternal ancestor was elevated to the untitled nobility of Hungary on 10 September 1628 for his role in fighting the armies of the Ottoman Empire. The family possessed about 705 acres of land and a small castle in the village of Alattyán, near Szolnok, 92 km (57 miles) east of Budapest.[6] Pál Sárközy's father and grandfather held elective offices in the town of Szolnok. Although the Sárközy de Nagy-Bócsa (nagybócsai Sárközy) family was Protestant, Pál Sárközy's mother, Katalin Tóth de Csáford (Hungarian: csáfordi Tóth Katalin), grandmother of Nicolas Sarkozy, belonged to a Catholic noble family."


Many have speculated that the present leader of France "could" be the Chiren of Nostradamus.  Being of Greek ancestry certainly fits the description of having "Trojan Blood".

If Sarkozy is Chiren then we have very little time left... (I hope not)

(note that you can be the leader of France these days and not be 100% of French ancestry)

Nostradamus was Jewish and also French...  so they would have something in common.

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I hate to confirm that Sarkozy is Chiren, but I do admit that he fits most all the criteria for being him.  Feels a little too early to be certain.  (privately I tend to believe that he is the one)

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Chiren == Sarkozy ? ? ?

First Term : 2007 - 2012
Second Term : 2012 - 2017

...so we still could have as much as six years before Sarkozy can no longer qualify to be the Catholic leader of France in the Nostradamus "Standard Picture" of events.

So what do you want to do with your life for six years?
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on January 20, 2011, 08:26:30 PM
How does Hungary have common roots with Greece?

allusion, is a poetic trick requiring the reader to be aware of names cited and what they were noted for, like the founders of Lutetia?

Also Troy the city, was situated in present day Turkey
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 21, 2011, 03:05:39 PM
You can be Hungarian and still have Greek ancestry.

Sarkozy is what we in America call a "mutt".  He's a mix of various ancestries and origins and yet he was raised Catholic, so he does have a strong "Catholic Bias" in his thinking.  It's this "Catholic Bias" that Nostradamus seems to pick up on.

He qualifies as the "Christian King of the World" (Selin Chiren) but that doesn't necessarily mean he is Chiren.  

All we have to do is wait and survive the first half of WWIII (not a guarantee for any of us) and it will become obvious.  If Sarkozy is Chiren we will know.

(it could be years from now)
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 21, 2011, 03:11:45 PM
"We repeat the same message to you: The release of your prisoners in the hands of our brothers is linked to the withdrawal of your soldiers from our country," bin Laden said. "The refusal of your president to withdraw from Afghanistan is the result of his obedience to America and this refusal is a green light to kill your prisoners."

Osama Bin Laden is in the news again.  He's directly threatening France now...  very much in tune with the "Standard Picture" which suggests in WWIII the radical Muslims within France will do all they can to cause trouble. (they lose, but they try)

If actual people die soon...  THIS is the kind of incident that would be written into a Quatrain.  

So we can see how awareness might emerge.

We are always in effect in a murky state of non-awareness and it's only after the fact that we can (hopefully) identify if a specific Quatrain matches an event.  We have the double problem of not knowing which events are significant and also not knowing how we might interpret events and match them.  That's why the "Standard Picture" is there to create a backdrop of events...  sort of the view from high up and looking down...  which allows us to be more patient with things.

We want to separate our emotions from events which is EASIER when the event is distant.  It's actually more difficult to think when the event is actually happening.  (so be thankful we are not under pressure now)
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on January 22, 2011, 12:41:38 AM
I think when Mr Bin laden goes to Europe he will more than cause trouble he will depopulate the place for starters but any invasion force is going to cause collateral damage.
This time he will use nuclear weapons
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 22, 2011, 10:56:08 AM
Don't forget about China and Russia.  Especially Russia because in the "Standard Picture" of events it is Russia that begins hostilities by doing "something" provocative in Europe.  It could be cutting off the natural gas pipeline or it could be an invasion of the lessor states... we don't know everything.  America then stands up to Russia and confronts them.  It's at this point that things sort of spin out of control and pretty soon the "two brothers" (Russia and America) are lobbing nuclear weapons at each other.

Meanwhile in Europe the radical Muslim terrorists are causing havoc and it's possible some nuclear weapons are smuggled in and used.  So far the delivery systems for nukes by operations like Al Qaeda is non-existent.  Don't rule out Iran either...  they could be throwing up a few nukes as well.  China is also throwing up some nukes, but they quickly back off and settle for peace.

Based on sheer numbers it's America and Russia that have the most nukes.  There are something like 20,000 warheads on each side in various levels of readiness.  Even after the first waves of attacks between the "two brothers" they still will hold vast reserves to continue afterwards.  Nukes might be used for several years as the war progresses and mutates.  Nuclear submarines will do their part. ("hidden globes")

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In the midst of this appears Chiren who is supposed to take control in Europe and get the "two brothers" to stop their warfare against each other and turn against the Muslims in Europe and the Middle East that are still fighting.  Eventually all the radical Muslim terrorists are put into prison and yet the children of the terrorists are allowed to remain free. (in other words Chiren doesn't make it a racist thing...  just because you are Muslim doesn't mean you go to jail)

The main thing to remember is that the radical Muslims lose...  they are more annoyance than anything else...

Russia and America fight
Russia and America make peace and join with Chiren
Chirens alliance defeats the radical Muslims
Peace returns


...it's a simple war to understand really.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on January 23, 2011, 06:53:46 PM
My reading Iran takes up the invasion and is defeated soon after 2-3 years
However Russia who was an ally changes sides defeats USA and a uses the final solution on the USA Henry the Euro takes what is left and unites a very broken world!
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 24, 2011, 07:07:16 AM
Not quite...

Central to understanding the flow of events is to look at the concept of the "two brothers".  They are said to both be "of the north" and they are supposed to touch each other up north.  Alaska and Russia face each other across the Bering Strait.

Next, the timeline goes like this:

Russia begins with an encroachment into Europe.
America gets involved and resists Russian agression.
Russia attacks America in a surprise nuclear strike.
America responds with it's own nuclear strike.

...

Meanwhile in Europe the radical Muslims are causing terrorism and really messing Europe up badly.  The use of nuclear, chemical and biological weapons complicates matters.  Chiren leads the Western forces against the radicals and manages to get Russia and America ("the two brothers") to assist in his cause and to become allies again.

Why would Russia begin as an enemy and end as an ally with America?

Because Russia is ruled by a "gangster" government that when the war begins is wiped out by nuclear weapons.  The surviving Russia people never liked their government anyway, so there was no problem switching sides.  The poor Russians have a long and terrible history of their government treating them badly...  it seems to be deeply ingrained in their minds.

In effect the Russians "declare a Mulligan" (do you know the golf term?) and completely abandon the attack once their leadership is taken out.  The war between Russia and America might only last a few hours or days.

By comparison the war in Europe with the radical Muslims creating terror will go on for years and years.  It's an ugly internal mess that Chiren has to sytematically beat down until the radicals are spent.  Chiren also leads the West against the middle east.

Finally Chiren gets to be given the sole title of victor... but it takes a long time.

The king of Europe will come like a griffin
Accompanied by those of the North.
He will lead a great troop of red and white
And they will go against the king of Babylon.
(X/86, p. 421)
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 28, 2011, 11:08:34 AM
Egypt

This revolution going on in Egypt is expected within the "Standard Picture" of events.  Before WWIII gets into full swing it's expected that the entire middle east has cobbled together a kind of "new Caliphate" which unifies for what they think will be a successful defeat of the West.

Nostradamus says otherwise...

Obviously by now (if you have been reading and paying attention) you know that the West is lead by Chiren to eventually defeat the combined forces of the Muslims (both terrorist and otherwise) after an ugly world war.  The unification of the Muslim world does not last long:

"...and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend around the world."

(so the unity of the Muslims lasts seven years)

So we are at the BEGINNING of this process...  there are years and years and years of wild new developments to come, so don't hold your breath.

2012 is the "official" beginning of all of this.  (so we are in the prelude still)

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The radical Muslims "lose" WWIII, but at times it will seem like they might "win".
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on January 28, 2011, 03:15:23 PM
The Henry character emerges, after the defeat of the west!
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 28, 2011, 05:58:59 PM
The Henry character emerges, after the defeat of the west!

Again this is false.

Europe will suffer from terrorism.  What we are seeing in the middle east is the early stages where the Muslim world gets the idea that it can defeat the West. (a dumb idea)

But if you've actually studied what Nostradamus is saying the "bottom line" is that in WWIII the Muslims lose.

I post the definitive info just to remind everyone what will be:

The great Chyren will be the Chief of the World,
after "Plus oultre" loved, feared and dreaded.
His fame and praise go beyond the heavens
and he will be greatly satisfied with the sole title of victor - VI.70

For hereupon the principal Eastern chief will be vanquished by the Northerners and Westerners, and most of his people, stirred up, will be put to death, overwhelmed or scattered. His children, offspring of many women, will be imprisoned. Then will be accomplished the prophecy of the Royal Prophet, Let him hear the groaning of the captives, that he might deliver the children of those doomed to die.

What great oppression will then fall upon the Princes and Governors of Kingdoms, especially those which will be maritime and Eastern, whose tongues will be intermingled with all others: the tongue of the Latins, and of the Arabs, via the Phoenicians. And all these Eastern Kings will be chased, overthrown and exterminated, but not altogether, by means of the forces of the Kings of the North, and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend around the world. The sacrifice of the hole and immaculate Wafer will be sustained.

Then the Lords of “Aquilon” [the North], two in number, will be victorious over the Easterners, and so great a noise and bellicose tumult will they make amongst them that all the East will tremble in terror of these brothers, yet not brothers, of “Aquilon” [the North].


The Lords of “Aquilon” are Russia and America... the countries that own all the nukes.

People who are hoping that the Muslims will win should HATE Nostradamus because he says they lose...


Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 29, 2011, 07:41:27 AM
NOSTRADAMUS QUATRAIN #6-101

THE LAW ISSUED AGAINST INEPT CRITICS

Let those who read this verse consider it profoundly,
Let the profane and the ignorant herd keep away:
And far away all Astrologers, Idiots and Barbarians,
May he who does otherwise be subject to the sacred rite.


...from the perspective of Nostradamus those not of the West are the barbarians.
He cautions that many people will use his Quatrains for their own purposes over time.

Note: The "sacred rite" suggests Nostradamus was probably in a secret society.

During WWII the Germans "used" Nostradamus to predict German victory.  Unfortunately
there were German researchers that started to realize that Nostradamus was predicting
that the Germans would LOSE WWII and they would quickly be shot by the German
authorities for being disobedient.  Killing the messenger didn't change the outcome.

Truth does not respect tyrants, barbarians, astrologers...  or radical Muslim prophets
when it comes to Nostradamus !!!
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on January 29, 2011, 09:06:33 PM
But those who know, Know that Nostradamus did NOT write that rhyme but lifted it from the Jambilicus. ;(
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 30, 2011, 06:25:32 AM
"...and because of the drawing near of our age through the three secretly united in the search for death, treacherously laying traps for one another. This renewed Triumvirate will last for seven years, and the renown of this sect will extend around the world."

What countries or regions in the middle east make up the Triumvirate?

My guess would be that the countries would be those with large populations.

The first most obvious choice is Iran.  No debate needed.

The second could be Egypt if things go as we expect with the revolution there and the Muslim Brotherhood takes over.

The third is Turkey.  I vaguely remember a discussion about this topic about eight years ago (gives an idea how long I've thought about this stuff) There is a some quatrain somewhere that suggests that Turkey is the last to fall.

If it's a count to "three" we are now on "two"....
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on January 30, 2011, 06:05:31 PM
Consider perhaps the new masters the Subcontinent!
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 30, 2011, 08:19:59 PM
Until Chiren this will be true...  the middle east is predicted by Nostradamus to
have a short lived reign.

Like Nazi Germany... the Muslims will have their day.

(and like the Nazi's they lose in the end)

A coincidence that the Muslim Brotherhood modeled itself after the ideas
of Nazi Germany?  I don't think so, they are of the same seed.  The
"demon seed" does not win WWIII in the end. (nor did it win WWII)

The "good guys" win WWIII, so the Muslims lose.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on January 30, 2011, 08:33:11 PM
The Arab Prince Mars, Sun, Venus, Leo,
The rule of the Church will succumb by sea:
Towards Persia very nearly a million men,
The true serpent will invade Byzantium and Egypt.
~ Nostradamus Century V, Quatrain 25


Iran (Persia) is already radicalized. (long ago)

Egypt seems to be well on their way to radicalization.

Byzantium is Turkey.  Turkey will also fall to Muslim radicals at
some point.

Saudi Arabia will fall eventually, but I don't know in which order
the countries fall.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: nunyabizz on February 12, 2011, 11:42:10 PM
just a little new factoid (he he) they have now found that the big bang was not the start of time, but caused by it. so to come to this discovery they most have went beyond the big bang.
I know nothing about nothing so am just an illusion. ( huggles )
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on February 24, 2011, 09:17:12 AM
Well, your posting seems a little off, but not too bad.  Worth maybe reviewing what
time is after all.

Mankind perceives time based on the physics that our bodies experience.  For whatever
reason our large molecules are limited in three dimensions and our interactions process
at a rate that gives us the perception of time.

However, on the scale of the very small (the electron is small because it is the size of
a quantum) we know of physics that follow a set of rules (Quantum Physics) that do NOT
require three dimensions.

For example:

In Quantum Physics you can get two electrons in coherence with each other (a sort of
locked parallel state) and then separate those electrons apart.  Now you take one
electron (in a special container) fifty miles away.  You now alter the movement of one
electron and the other one that is far away is ALSO altered.  The principle of "locality"
can be broken !!!  (no joke, look it up)

The "bottom line" is our brains have consciousness as a result of electrons which are
operating in a framework of dimensions that is beyond our comprehension.  There are
no theories that comprehend nature fully.  (it's fragmented into more than one theory)

When we die, or if we are "Mediums" we seem to be able to go to a mental state where
time does not exist.  The "truth" seems to be that everyone could be a Nostradamus and
be able to see through time.  In practice this is not true, but in theory it should be.

In heaven we are all like Nostradamus...
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: nunyabizz on February 24, 2011, 09:12:40 PM
I'm no Halkens or anything like that. I do how ever know in my core that the same space witch makes up the big spaces between planets is the same as the space between neutrons. I just can't get how i know on paper. The formula in in my head kinda but when i try to put what i see to paper it just doesn't get to the paper. As far as time goes, My thought are WE each  make time. The more I interact we others the more limits i build to prove i co-exist with others. When I'm in my own space i move in and out of time at will. Quantum Physics just as Dimensions are self limiting manipulations proving co-existence. consciousness is not a result of electrons it builds limits bye focusing on man made rules and laws. You can be, do, and go anywhere and time you wish if you can let go of the limits you have built for your self.  Comprehension and articulation There is a difference. To say something is beyond comprehension is not a proper statement. To see the something is beyond comprehension just means that what is there can not be articulated to others at this time. Thus adding to the self limiting manipulations.
I also put forth the principle that all things are connected and affected by all things. the scale doesn't matter. I personally do not choose to limit my self anymore then i have to. Sometimes i get confused to witch where i am, so i let it go and be that witch i am at the time. I also enjoy the interaction between others and two dimensions. I've never quite understood the third dimension. the only way to really prove it would be to step outside the body. So to interact with others you must have form and limits. I'm not very good at getting what i know on to the paper.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on February 27, 2011, 09:04:45 AM
Hopefully you are at least being sincere.

Your ability to express a clear idea is not very good as evidenced by that posting.

However, assuming you are trying your best then it's okay.

As you say:

"Comprehension and articulation There is a difference."

...yes, it is rare for someone to be able to clearly articulate what they understand.

----------------------------

I see things fairly clearly at this stage in life.  When I was younger it all made no sense
and it was all confusing.  Suffice to say that Nostradamus and other Mediums have it
right.  Reality is actually "without time" or more accurately "all time is connected into
a single unity".  There is no bullshit about it.  When we die and enter a kind of afterlife
we simply exist permanently in the same way as a Medium experiences for moments.

Death is the affirmation of Nostradamus for all of us.

(it's when we know for sure)

Until we die and go to the afterlife we have to put up with devils that live in our world
that deny the timelessness.  That's the deal called "life".  (doubt is the human condition)

You thought it would be easy?

Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: nunyabizz on February 27, 2011, 10:18:35 AM
I'm quite sincere in with i know to be truth for me.  I also do not believe in death. I think  my ability to express things is very good, just not to others. As i have said in the other post we each build limits on are self's and mine is not having a very good rasp of written language. What you call Devils i call self made limits. What you call afterlife i call limit removal.  You see in order for the devil to control your thinking would be to give him control of yourself. I choose not to give control to anything outside of self. When in human form as you have put it The world and all others begins and ends at your noes. (how to get this out right)   In my world We are all god. Not from god. We all touch everything. time and timelessness are the same thing.

being is easy, getting out of it alive is hard.

I disagree about the affirmation of Nostradamus being Death.
I see Him as having found some of the universal road signs for the rest of us.
I do not beieve he is even now dead.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on February 28, 2011, 10:19:32 AM
I disagree about the affirmation of Nostradamus being Death.

What I mean is that Mediums like Nostradamus see reality for what it is...  without linear time...  so that all time is experienced at once.  The afterlife (death) is when our conscious minds exit the attachment to the body and become reacquainted with reality again.  Life is the illusion (linear time) and in death we regain knowledge of the truth in the afterlife.

The Medium "sees" the same world as a dead person does... the afterlife. (without linear time)

In a sense we all become like Nostradamus in death because we "see" the same afterlife.

Our souls all co-mingle in death because the "collective unconscious" is for all forms of conscious life.  We would co-mingle with dead trees too, but just as with life it's not very interesting.  Our souls would naturally harmonize with certain things and not with others based on who we were in life.  Those with a troubled life might find the afterlife as a "hell".  Most would adjust and see it as a sort of "heaven", but it's mostly about how you see things in life.  It's better to be prepared for death than not to be, but that's not always up to your control depending on your fate.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on February 28, 2011, 04:38:28 PM
Nice to see conjecture at work and the indoctrination one carries however:
Not my view but a standard picture nonetheless done with some study and care:
FUTURE WARS
Most of humanity wishes for peace and concord between nations. A world without warfare is a wonderful dream, but Nostradamus speaks of horrible future conflicts and lethal new weaponry before the thousand years of peace begins. He speaks of war in Spain and southern France in the area of the Pyrenees Mountains. The Prophet foresees a desolate Paris. In C 3 Q 93 he writes:
In Avignon the chief of the whole empire
Will make a stop because Paris is desolate:
Tricast will hold the Annibalique ire:
Lyon by the change will be ill consoled.
The enigmatic Hannibal is predicted to destroy Rome and the Vatican. Nostradamus foresees a Persian (Iranian) leader will arise who will invade Turkey, Greece, and Macedonia with the war spreading throughout the Balkans. The Adriatic Sea area will see future conflict in southern Italy, along the eastern Italian coastline and in the northern Adriatic areas.
Nostradamus names the leaders of these wars “Hannibal,” “Ogmios,” “The Great Arab,” “Selin,” and the great “Chyren, Christian King of the World.” The Anti-Christ will arise and persecute the church and the people of the entire globe. His war will last twenty-seven years.
It is imperative to find the correct sequence to the quatrains so that we may all know how the
predictions of Nostradamus will fit into our future and so be better prepared.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on March 02, 2011, 09:14:32 AM
You seem to be just at the beginning of discovery of what the story is about.

I've been at this for about a decade now and over time the quatrains and the
Letter to Henry gradually sink in.  The "Standard Picture" is simply the most
efficient and condensed way to describe the coming timeline.

I will repeat the basics:

First, Nostradamus was clearly pro-Western, pro-France, and pro-Christian
and all his references are biased in the way they are phrased.  If you do not
know this you lack a central key to understanding.  The result of this bias is
that Nostradamus tends to see the "Good Guys" as the West and the "Bad
Guys" as the East.  When Nostradamus talks of an evil "Serpent" you can
be certain he is talking about Islam.

(http://worldwidewarriors.org/Nostradamus%20-%20eel%20with%20a%20man's%20face.jpg)

Secondly there is the WWIII outline.  To quickly review we see that the Muslims
unify into a Triumvirate that lasts (at it's most unified) for seven years, but may
actually be longer if you count periods of disunity.  The Muslims form this Caliphate
in the coming years, but they eventually betray each other and they lose the war
because of a combination of disunity and Western determination.

Finally, Chiren is a character that is the central leader of Western forces.  Chiren
chases down the terrorists and places them into prisons and even appears to do
some torture on them, but he is eventually praised for releasing the children of
these terrorists.  It is this last act of generosity towards the Muslims that is seen
as an example of his wise leadership.

After a long and ugly WWIII it is the West that is victorious over the East.

That's the basic story...

There are Muslims that have convinced themselves that they can defeat the
West and it is because of this ideology that they will be inspired to fight.  If you
are a radical Muslim intent on jhihad then Nostradamus is a "bummer" because
his story says that the Muslims lose.

So you can ask yourself:

"Do I see the future the way Nostradamus sees it or how the terrorists see it?"

...it's up to you to be true to the facts.  (many try to invert Nostradamus for their
own personal agendas, but truth is unchanging in this case)

Nostradamus was of the West.  His bias was with the West.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: nunyabizz on March 02, 2011, 06:12:11 PM
most of my life safe having been told at least once a year sometime more that i would not see my next birthday, my morality is kinda been shoved at me all the time. I choose not to leave this realm yet.
What i see as far as future wars i can't articulate it. Nostradamus is better at saying what needs to be said. The true serpent will invade Byzantium and Egypt. Since he is beyond being held to hoarse punishment for telling truths. however you and i are not. I do not believe that people are out to get me as the young man who think all are reading his mind and taking them to court over it. I do take care about what i relay. The next issue for me is east vs west not to demean anybody but how can there be east vs west when we live on a ball. going ether way you will all way come back to the point you started at. All fun aside Islam maybe just what you say. I believe that the middle east as the hot spot. So is that east or West ? Nostradamus evil serpent, is he talking christian serpent or prechristain . prechristain  IS very much Islamic. Christian is more cymbalist in nature.  I very much agree truth is unchanging.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on March 04, 2011, 08:09:57 AM
(http://worldwidewarriors.org/Nostradamus%20-%20eel%20with%20a%20man's%20face.jpg)

The sword is shaped like a Christian cross.

The half moon is the symbol for Islam.

The serpent is the body of Islam.

The sword will kill the serpent.

-------------------------------

The "Good Guys" in the view of Nostradamus is the West which includes Europe,
America and by the end of the war Russia.

The "Bad Guys" in the view of Nostradamus is the East which includes the Middle
East (Muslims), Russia (early in the war) and China.

The "Good Guys" win.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on March 06, 2011, 12:17:54 AM
Nostradamus was first and foremost a poet historian which puts him on neither side, he did however have a very bitter sense of humor which he employed on the then new French written language, which King Henri II brought into law by insisting by edict that all documentation be written in French and NOT Latin a clear break with the church control,  this also happened in other European countries about this time. (also on C6Q100 the only quatrain in Latin referencing it, also why it is helpful to have read Nostradamus' reading list which is one of 6 books referenced, in his work)
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: safe on March 06, 2011, 07:53:21 AM
Nostradamus was French and the French hated the Muslims.

I think it would be impossible for Nostradamus to not carry that bias
forward in his perceptions. 

All the quatrains that refer to Islam paint them negatively.

(http://worldwidewarriors.org/Nostradamus%20-%20eel%20with%20a%20man's%20face.jpg)

...the picture really is worth a thousand words.

This sums up how Nostradamus saw things.  The West is forced to
kill the serpent which is Islam in WWIII.
Title: Re: The "Standard Picture"
Post by: Ecosse on March 13, 2011, 01:21:20 PM
Er what evidence is there, that Nostradamus ever saw those paintings?
Seeing as the ink comes from a period after Nostradamus' death. ???